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    in light of my recent 'on a whim' purchase can anyone give me some details on this cartridge please?
    what tracking weight should i start with and pin layout?
    My System/ Yamaha NS1000M speakers, Townsend Elite rock 2 turntable,,Alphason HR-100S-MCS tonearm,Decca C4E cartridge ,Sony 700ES Amp,Sony X555ES CD Player, Nakamichi ca5 pre amp ,

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    If you look at what I posted yesterday you may find it useful.

    Post 7791:

    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...176#post891176

    Tracking force is generally 2 grams give or take a bit.
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    thanks,dont you mean posted today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie123 View Post
    thanks,dont you mean posted today?
    So it was.
    Mr. Tact!

    Main system: MMs/ADCs/Low output MC's/One rare Japanese SUT/One scarce British phono stage/various tonearms/hefty Japanese DD TT and hefty Japanese BD TT and small British BD TT. 4 CD players/2 jitter buster/2 DACs/Valve buffer. TVC stepped attenuator or valve pre-amp or solid state pre-amp. Current dumping power-amp or either of two Class A SS power-amp or Class A EL34 valve monos or big Japanese (part Class A) integrated. Big dual concentric speakers/Smaller dual concentric speakers/Two way British compacts and full range speakers, amongst others. And too much more to list!

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    thats the first sign you know lol
    My System/ Yamaha NS1000M speakers, Townsend Elite rock 2 turntable,,Alphason HR-100S-MCS tonearm,Decca C4E cartridge ,Sony 700ES Amp,Sony X555ES CD Player, Nakamichi ca5 pre amp ,

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    My John Wright (line contact) rebuilt C4E tracks nicely at 1.8g in my vintage Hadcock 228.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie123 View Post
    thats the first sign you know lol
    Of what? I've forgotten what we were talking about.



    Mr. Tact!

    Main system: MMs/ADCs/Low output MC's/One rare Japanese SUT/One scarce British phono stage/various tonearms/hefty Japanese DD TT and hefty Japanese BD TT and small British BD TT. 4 CD players/2 jitter buster/2 DACs/Valve buffer. TVC stepped attenuator or valve pre-amp or solid state pre-amp. Current dumping power-amp or either of two Class A SS power-amp or Class A EL34 valve monos or big Japanese (part Class A) integrated. Big dual concentric speakers/Smaller dual concentric speakers/Two way British compacts and full range speakers, amongst others. And too much more to list!

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    I was going to suggest 10g tracking in a girder type of arm..... - sorry, I'm in one of them moods tonite...

    ANY old Decca should have a service first before letting it anywhere near a precious vinyl collection. I have here a scan of a HiFi Sound review of this model (thanks to hifi dave's mag stash) and they suggest 1.5g* should be optimal despite Decca's recommendation of 3.5g downforce (vertical compliance is around '4' so this difference would barely make a change to the odd shaped 'cantilever.'), Sound was judged smooth but with marginal tracking at end of side if you weren't careful and a tonearm with a little damping was also recommended. Again, the 'direct coupled' nature of Decca sonics was praised. The response of the review sample showed nothing of the 18k resonances shown in many later models...

    * [edit] - Please don't shoot the messenger - this was from a 1968 review and Decca were asked to confirm their tracking force suggestion. The reply was that the higher weight was used when setting up for best separation figures. I am aware that top Deccas had revised suggestion for tracking force of around 1.5 - 1.75g as shown above and I seem to think the cantilever and suspension was altered to take this into account, but I can't remember where I read this, so pinch of salt time until I can verify it... P.S. Many years ago when I was starting out, I had an original Decca Blue London which tracked superbly at 1.75g or so. T'was a bit too much for me at the time, but I've often wondered what it would have been like in a better matched arm and with a properphono stage with high overload margins able to take the hf dynamics...
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    Mr. Tact!

    Main system: MMs/ADCs/Low output MC's/One rare Japanese SUT/One scarce British phono stage/various tonearms/hefty Japanese DD TT and hefty Japanese BD TT and small British BD TT. 4 CD players/2 jitter buster/2 DACs/Valve buffer. TVC stepped attenuator or valve pre-amp or solid state pre-amp. Current dumping power-amp or either of two Class A SS power-amp or Class A EL34 valve monos or big Japanese (part Class A) integrated. Big dual concentric speakers/Smaller dual concentric speakers/Two way British compacts and full range speakers, amongst others. And too much more to list!

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    that will do nicely!
    1 slight concern is the last sentence,not to be used with ferrous tt's, guess what the plinth is made of on the rock2
    My System/ Yamaha NS1000M speakers, Townsend Elite rock 2 turntable,,Alphason HR-100S-MCS tonearm,Decca C4E cartridge ,Sony 700ES Amp,Sony X555ES CD Player, Nakamichi ca5 pre amp ,

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