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    I could be wrong but isn't the 55 the same internally as the v15, just not hand put together with close tolerances ?
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    The 55E was a more commercial version of the original V15 I believe, in the same way the 75-ED was a downgraded? v15 T2 (the diamond is naked as is the V15T2, but not the same quality if mine are anything to go by). The M95 body borrowed from the V15 III and the M97 in original form borrowed from the V15 IV, although the IV was a law unto itself in terms of coil specs I think. The current bargain priced 97XE borrows from the fondly remembered V15V-XMR body and if anyone's interested, may I suggest grabbing one while they're still around a ton in price, as all the competition (Grado, Ortofon, Goldring and so on) has gone up 50% or more in recent times and the inferior lower model Nagaokas, which used to be cheap-as-chips in earlier lives and half the price of a 97HE for example, now cost around the same The Jico SAS stylus takes it to another level apparently, but the measurements alter as the stylus 'resonance' is taken to a higher frequency I believe.

    Vinyl Engine is your friend as long as you're willing to trawl through many years of threads and posts. It seems that there are around five generic Shure bodies, which with refinements (laminated poles and so on) and a multitude of plastic mounting arrangements, made for seemingly hundreds of models. The styli play a huge part too as their resonance qualities helped define each model I understand.

    The SC35 body is related to other models (V15 II type?), but lacks the laminated pole pieces it seems. The best universal 75 era body is the humble M75-6S type with metal mounting bracket, as this body takes all the 75's, 91's, 93E and I think the 70 models too (no plastic to cut away).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    The best universal 75 era body is the humble M75-6S type with metal mounting bracket, as this body takes all the 75's, 91's, 93E and I think the 70 models too (no plastic to cut away).
    Yes. I've got one. With a very rare NOS Goldring M75E stylus fitted. And yes, Goldring did make replacement styli for Shure cartridges. Very high quality ones too.
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    You learn something new every day - thanks for that nugget Goldring used to do good MC rebuilds too. A shame they don't seem to support their older cartridges, as the G800 stylus went from a nail to something far better with a neater better polished diamond during its life in my experience.

    Expert Styli also sell or used to sell Shure compatible styli. Not sure (sorry!) if they make their own or buy from a trusted third party, but I'm informed a generic 75 'elliptical' they sold for not much (under 30 if memory serves) was actually very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    Yes. I've got one. With a very rare NOS Goldring M75E stylus fitted. And yes, Goldring did make replacement styli for Shure cartridges. Very high quality ones too.
    I have got 2 Shure M75-6S bodies that came on ADC /HMV / BSR decks and I love them both . Very versatile and musical to me ,so I resist the hunt for the Holy Grail by constantly sampling other Shure offerings (mind you I,m tight!!!)
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    I do like and use (some) older Shures, but have to admit, my favourite non MC cartridges aside from Deccas are good ADC's. Sorry about that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    I do like and use (some) older Shures, but have to admit, my favourite non MC cartridges aside from Deccas are good ADC's. Sorry about that!
    The only Shures I have now are a couple of M55Es. Still prefer my ADCs (25 and 10E IV) and my AKG (P8ES). Oh - and Deccas of course!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    The 55E was a more commercial version of the original V15 I believe, in the same way the 75-ED was a downgraded? v15 T2 (the diamond is naked as is the V15T2, but not the same quality if mine are anything to go by). The M95 body borrowed from the V15 III and the M97 in original form borrowed from the V15 IV, although the IV was a law unto itself in terms of coil specs I think. The current bargain priced 97XE borrows from the fondly remembered V15V-XMR body and if anyone's interested, may I suggest grabbing one while they're still around a ton in price, as all the competition (Grado, Ortofon, Goldring and so on) has gone up 50% or more in recent times and the inferior lower model Nagaokas, which used to be cheap-as-chips in earlier lives and half the price of a 97HE for example, now cost around the same The Jico SAS stylus takes it to another level apparently, but the measurements alter as the stylus 'resonance' is taken to a higher frequency I believe.

    Vinyl Engine is your friend as long as you're willing to trawl through many years of threads and posts. It seems that there are around five generic Shure bodies, which with refinements (laminated poles and so on) and a multitude of plastic mounting arrangements, made for seemingly hundreds of models. The styli play a huge part too as their resonance qualities helped define each model I understand.

    The SC35 body is related to other models (V15 II type?), but lacks the laminated pole pieces it seems. The best universal 75 era body is the humble M75-6S type with metal mounting bracket, as this body takes all the 75's, 91's, 93E and I think the 70 models too (no plastic to cut away).
    Ive come to the conclusion just to buy, try, sell/keep depending upon sonic outcome! I can't be arsed reading years and years of posts.
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    Good idea Andy, that's what I would do. Trying them in your own set up really is the only way to know if any of the Shure cartridges really sound great.

    Going by other folks hazy recollections will not really tell you much other than how they performed in their particular systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Good idea Andy, that's what I would do. Trying them in your own set up really is the only way to know if any of the Shure cartridges really sound great.

    Going by other folks hazy recollections will not really tell you much other than how they performed in their particular systems.
    +1, although IMO only the newer V15s would be worth considering these days.
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