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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamics View Post
    I don't buy that. You get what you pay for most of the time, albeit law of diminishing returns. It's wishful thinking they compete and also you are paying for design too. A one man band doesn't have the design of a big player, with the resource available. What shows do they actually compare them at. I don't think so

    Anyone can bring £5k worth of homemade stuff to a test and I doubt it would compete with £15k.
    I've heard a few DIY systems at less than 5K that were as good and even better than £150K of top of the line stuff. I've also heard some bloody good top of the line stuff too but think that retail price is a reliable indicator of sound quality is a big mistake to make.

    If I was buying new from a dealer with a £15K budget I think I might struggle to get a system that I would be happy with its capabilities. Maybe just about for that money. £10K would definitely not cut it. Have you seen what decent speakers cost these days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamics View Post
    I don't buy that.
    How can you not buy it, Simon? Are you saying that Martin's a liar? It's the results of his experience to date, so you should acknowledge and accept that fact.

    Disagree, by all means, in terms of if your experience suggests the contrary, but to say you don't buy what is someone's honest account of what they've discovered, is rather disrespectful.

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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

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    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermit View Post
    Hard to believe that Scotland hasn't been nominated
    Ariston were very good in their day... and I believe STD (305M etc) were Scottish and I think Haynes are on a Scottish island but I can't think of many more that make HI-FI equipment still today?
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    This is why second hand is the best route. There are very few genuine breakthroughs in audio - most of this year's must have gear is just tweaked, redressed last year's must have. It's called commerce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hermit View Post
    Hard to believe that Scotland hasn't been nominated...
    Haha - lovin' your new avvy, Paul! Why haven't you been participating in the football thread?

    Get your arse over there mate, and join in the celebrations: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...622#post868622



    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

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  6. #96
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    I think you can make that link most of the time. I'd happily have a bet with you for my house, that if you set up the best £5k system for the money you could against the best system at £150k, in a blind test, most people would go for the £150k one. It would actually be very easy. Unfortunately with hi fi these tests are never really that objective, because it's easy to say a £5000 is best because people start to think is better value and it probably is. But nobody ever takes the law of diminishing returns into account, such that a 150k system is never 10 times better than a 15k one. This is what draws people into thinking more expensive systems aren't as good, and it's a human thing to say a Nissan is as good as a Ferrari.

    My speakers I'd say are decent and not masses of cash. A new model of last year. But not the best, but nothing ever is relatively speaking.

  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    How can you not buy it, Simon? Are you saying that Martin's a liar? It's the results of his experience to date, so you should acknowledge and accept that fact.

    Disagree, by all means, in terms of if your experience suggests the contrary, but to say you don't buy what is someone's honest account of what they've discovered, is rather disrespectful.

    Marco.
    No, not at all I'm not saying anyone is a liar. I'm saying I don't trust or buy that particular view. Because that's what it is i.e. A view or opinion. So I'm not being disresptful.

    There is an awful lot of bs in hi-fi circles and when people start telling me that cheaper hi fi is as good, it goes against my experiences of upgrades and pretty much every other area of consumerism where you get what you pay for. You tend to get better quality as you pay more. It is almost definitely better value with law of dim returns, in a cheaper system, but better is a different matter. It's also human nature to start saying my car handles as one four times the price, and is of the same quality.

    We've all been to shows and heard stuff that's blown our systems to bits, they tend to be more expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkless Electronics View Post
    Ariston were very good in their day... and I believe STD (305M etc) were Scottish and I think Haynes are on a Scottish island but I can't think of many more that make HI-FI equipment still today?
    You could buy an arm from Johnny at Audio Origami and I believe Linn can sell you everything else or if you prefer proper big speakers there's Tannoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamics View Post
    I think you can make that link most of the time. I'd happily have a bet with you for my house, that if you set up the best £5k system for the money you could against the best system at £150k, in a blind test, most people would go for the £150k one. .
    If they knew the costs. But if it was totally blind, and they just have to say which they prefer, you might be down a house. It can be very strange what people prefer especially when they can't see the kit making the noise. Check some of the blind speaker tests from the old Hi Fi Choice if you don't believe me.
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    TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > JM Labs Focal Electra 926.

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    I agree whole heartedly about buying used. I don't really think about what part of the money goes where, but I do like paying 1/3rd to 1/4th new prices. Sure new gear sounds great! But we weren't listening to crap 10 years ago either! In fact, some of the best systems I've ever heard were probably about 10 to 20 years ago. Not that they don't still sound good, but just that they were not bad back then. Like laundry detergent that claims new and improved! What was the old soap like? Old and sub par? The internet has facilitated the used audio market, and my present system is better than my last one for that very reason!


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