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    Do they?
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    In some cases NO but with a dynamic changing signal and a with a constantly changing frequency / amplitude/impedance loads and a power pack that hates load changes oh YES.
    But the key is can you hear it? Is it in your mind ? How much do external physical object i.e. the room and it furniture effect what you hear or not.
    Some lucky devils never hear a improvement or a change, other like me do. It is a real nightmare of a subject and has many controversial response , from "Great Scott" to "Snakeoil" all are valid it is what you hear that matters. And at what cost to your pocket. If you cant hear any useful improvement then save the money and have a good evening out at a concert. ( Oh tell us what one you went to please)

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    Its a case of the Kenny Dalgleish's
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    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


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    I like blue ones, with nice fat, brass plugs on the end... Don't ask why!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    I love 60A 3 Phase cable fitted with 6 inch Gold plated nails, OK it sounds crap but then others see it, and it confirms there worst fear "He is Mad" and run away so I keep the coffee mmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I like blue ones, with nice fat, brass plugs on the end... Don't ask why!

    Marco.
    big purple ones are best so I'm told
    Regards,
    Grant .... ؠ ......Don't be such a big girl's blouse

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply-doesn't-work
    .... ..... ...... ...... ................... ..... ..... ..... ..... .....
    FIIO K7 BT, M11 PLUS, BTR7, KA5 - OPPO BDP-103D - PANASONIC UB450 - PANASONIC 4K ULTRA HD TV - PIXEL 6 - AVANTREE LR BLUETOOTH - 2* X600 SOUNDCORE - HEADPHONES INCLUDE, FIIO, NURAPHONES', FOCAL, OPPO, BOSE, CAMBRIDGE, BOWER & WILKINS, DEVIALET, MARSHALL, SONY, MITCHELL & JOHNSTON - 2*ZBOOK'S- MERCURY BD ROM, ROON, QOBUZ, TIDAL, PLEX, CYBERLINK, JRIVER - MULTI HDD'S -

    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


    ***SMILE, BE HAPPY***

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    When 'fully engorged' mate, after it turns purple, it goes blue!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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    I recall having read in a popular magazine that the writers were shocked and pleased to hear major differences in cables! (1986) So, trying to keep an open mind on the subject. My wife at that time and I went to my favorite salon to pose the question. He took the time to demonstrate 4 sets of cables. Between the preamp and amp of a system of similar price to what I owned. A B&K Sonata if I recall. And we all heard the same thing. My wife and I were in total agreement of what their differences were. None were life and death, or the difference one hears between a $1000 and a $2000 CD player. But, there was a difference. And the most expensive was not our favorite. I bought the pair and once home, replacing the tiny Siamese give away wires I was using, the improvement was evident to both of us, and in the exact same ways. I do not subscribe to mass hallucinations, if two or more people see or hear the exact same thing, there must be something to it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaGT View Post
    I recall having read in a popular magazine that the writers were shocked and pleased to hear major differences in cables! (1986) So, trying to keep an open mind on the subject. My wife at that time and I went to my favorite salon to pose the question. He took the time to demonstrate 4 sets of cables. Between the preamp and amp of a system of similar price to what I owned. A B&K Sonata if I recall. And we all heard the same thing. My wife and I were in total agreement of what their differences were. None were life and death, or the difference one hears between a $1000 and a $2000 CD player. But, there was a difference. And the most expensive was not our favorite. I bought the pair and once home, replacing the tiny Siamese give away wires I was using, the improvement was evident to both of us, and in the exact same ways. I do not subscribe to mass hallucinations, if two or more people see or hear the exact same thing, there must be something to it.


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    Thanks for sharing. My experiences are all over the map. I've tried different cables on different components, and experienced variety of subjective impressions. Sometimes I was not able to hear any differences, sometimes I was startled at the magnitude of a difference a lowly cable can make. My conclusion is that, empirically speaking, it's pretty much on a case-to-case basis. There doesn't seem to be a cut-and-dry formula that guarantees if you get this cable or that cable, you will hear improvements. It all depends on your particular configuration (including your speaker positioning and your listening room).
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    Alex.

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    Do all apples have pips?
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    Modded Thorens TD150, Audio Technica AT-1005 MkII, Technics EPC-300MC, Arkless Hybrid MC phono stage, Arkless passive pre, Arkless 50WPC Class A SS power amp, (or) Arkless modded Leak Stereo 20, Modded Kef Reference 105/3's
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    Cables- free interconnects that come with CD players, mains leads from B&Q, dead kettles etc, extension leads from Tesco

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