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    Unfortunately Marco some people just cannot believe their own government will act against them - because of fear. Governments lie all the time - if it's about something as simple as cuts to benefits then people can see the lie - if it's about foreign policy or god forbid the death of citizens they cannot bring themselves to question whatever the government tells them.

    Libya is in such a state of chaos right now (because of us) that only two organisations in there are capable of organising what happened - ISIS and the Secret Services (US.UK) - the odds are even until the words STRONG AND STABLE LEADERSHIP cone info the equation.

    Anyway - I'm a fruitcake so will shut up now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farflungstar View Post
    Unfortunately Marco some people just cannot believe their own government will act against them - because of fear. Governments lie all the time - if it's about something as simple as cuts to benefits then people can see the lie - if it's about foreign policy or god forbid the death of citizens they cannot bring themselves to question whatever the government tells them.
    Absolutely, but for those who wish to open their eyes and see, rather than bury their heads in the sand, the evidence is there - and it's damning.

    The lies are simply hidden by propaganda, driven by the elite/establishment, and fuelled by governments working covertly to maintain their best interests, all facilitated by brainwashing the public through their TV screens - and trust me, in that respect, the BBC are the biggest culprits of all.

    You're far from a "fruitcake", Adrian. Like me, you're a realist, able to take the blinkers off, see through the propaganda, and embrace the (awful) reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farflungstar View Post
    Anyway - I'm a fruitcake so will shut up now.
    What Marco said. Crazy times we're living in. In order to be wise in these times you have to be mad to the majority! Propaganda everywhere, almost impossible to know what to believe. But I sure as sh!t don't trust the msm to tell me what's really going on in the world.

    No such thing as coincidence when such power politics is being played out, I think. This is a game to these unaccountable alphabet agencies, and the elites pulling the strings are not those who sit in the Houses of Parliament. Is that far-fetched or paranoid? I don't think so. Cui bono?

    We're constantly being played, our emotions manipulated by fairly simple psychological programming - how many times have you heard 'strong and stable's these past few weeks? And that's just what you've noticed consciously. We've all been prepped by this rudimentary but effective Psy op, and all we needed was an emotional trigger event to complete the conditioning. Job done, another 5 years to push through the agenda.

    Now, I couldn't say with 100% certainty, but it's all too convenient with many of these events coming at politically sensitive times when things could go one way or another with political decisions or people getting angry about the way they're being governed. Terrorism is grade A social control, and so the secret services are in it up to their eyeballs.

    And why, oh why, do they always remember to bring their ID cards?!

    Conspiranoid rant over, as you were

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    Quote Originally Posted by LC1979 View Post
    Crazy times we're living in. In order to be wise in these times you have to be mad to the majority!
    Or at least of a heretical disposition, sufficiently desensitised from the brainwash, thus inquisitive enough to cut through the propaganda, examine the bigger picture and see what's *really* happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by LC1979 View Post
    No such thing as coincidence when such power politics is being played out, I think. This is a game to these unaccountable alphabet agencies, and the elites pulling the strings are not those who sit in the Houses of Parliament.
    Nope, but they're a key part of the establishment, controlled by and acting on behalf of the global super-elite.

    Quote Originally Posted by LC1979 View Post
    We're constantly being played, our emotions manipulated by fairly simple psychological programming - how many times have you heard 'strong and stable's these past few weeks? And that's just what you've noticed consciously. We've all been prepped by this rudimentary but effective Psy op, and all we needed was an emotional trigger event to complete the conditioning. Job done, another 5 years to push through the agenda.
    Absolutely, and fear of seeking the truth and exposing the corruption/propaganda, will ultimately allow the above to continue, until the agenda is fulfilled and the ultimate goal is reached: the elite becoming wealthy beyond their wildest dreams and *openly* controlling the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by LC1979 View Post
    Now, I couldn't say with 100% certainty, but it's all too convenient with many of these events coming at politically sensitive times when things could go one way or another with political decisions or people getting angry about the way they're being governed. Terrorism is grade A social control, and so the secret services are in it up to their eyeballs.
    Yup, you better believe it!!

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    I don't really subscribe to a conspiracy type view that our governments are wholly against us. Bad things go on and they act in self interest, sure, and lots of very dodgy things go on in our police forces having too much power and no 'eyes on them', but ultimately the government are working in our interests to stop terrorism. Whether it's working and enough and best financed, and is in our best interests, is another question.

    But it strikes me the rhetoric that we 'stand together against terrorism' as is seen being propagated in Manchester, in other words all different religions and communities have the same stance against it, rather than having the opposite effect of making Muslim communities report those with concerning extremist views, perversely actually it does the opposite in emboldening these communities to stay silent in not reporting such people. This is because I think whenever the differences of religious communities are made aware to the public, that it is Muslim people who blow people up (not moderates but extremists) and not christians etc in our society, the reaction of Muslim communities is to stay silent because it highlights further bigger problems. Nobody wants to have an honest debate about why it comes from the Muslim community, because of the all inclusive society we live in, liberal attitudes, and lack of common sense. Ironically this then stops the debate about how it's caused and unwittingly the all community standing against terrorism approach, probably has a counter effect.

    The telegraph is reporting today that the Imman of the mosque this bomber attended has given a statement to say he was aware of the bombers extremist views. What then happened. Was it reported to services. What did intelligence services do. I'm sure it will all come out. Im not making a sensationalist point but the likelihood is many moderate people knew about this guys views.

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    They're always "known to the intelligence services", whatever that means.

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    If you trace back all terrorist events, including hungerford you will find that they happened at some pivotal political point, whether an election where one party wants absolute control and power, or an excuse to invade Iraq and kick start this whole shit off - 200 billion is making someone very rich.

    And yes, it's amazing how someone blows themselves to smithereens but has an intact driving licence. Or that the twin towers can collapse and cause unimaginable destruction yet the ID cards of the culprits v are found in 24 hours - bullshit - wake up.
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    If you locked up all UK muslims with extremist views you would have to build a lot of new prisons. That is before you consider that holding extremist views is not actually a crime in this country.

    BTW I'm not sure if some previous posters are suggesting that this was a false flag attack designed to influence the election result but if they are I have to say I consider that to be utterly risible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamics View Post

    The telegraph is reporting today that the Imman of the mosque this bomber attended has given a statement to say he was aware of the bombers extremist views. What then happened. Was it reported to services. What did intelligence services do. I'm sure it will all come out. Im not making a sensationalist point but the likelihood is many moderate people knew about this guys views.
    The point nobody seems willing to make, is that we are at war! And, under attack from an enemy hiding in plain sight. The extremist nuts that want to undertake attacks do not go totally 'under the radar'. Their communities will have within them, people that know full well who they are and are willingly keep quiet about them or even shelter and assist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LC1979 View Post
    They're always "known to the intelligence services", whatever that means.
    We are all known to intelligence services to one degree or another.
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