Another major (presumably terrorist) incident. Now in Manchester.

[farflungstar]

The trouble is this, so called, British man did not see it as killing his own citizens

If we do not follow the Quran and do not 'believe' then we are all 'infidels'... The Quran actually quotes this.. it goes something like this: "chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called hypocrites and warned that Allah will send them to hell if they do not join the slaughter

It is also true that no Muslim can ever be called an infidel, however many he/she kills or maims, as long as he/she believes in Allah. If we do not 'believe' we don't stand a chance

Don't forget though that we are all told they "enrich our lives" yeah right

Wait a minute here - there's equally as much shite in the Christian Bible - it's ignorant and misguided to suggest that all Muslim immigrants are out to chop people's heads off - they are not. Of course there are those with extreme views but there are Christians with extreme views - some of the views expressed here including my own might be classed as extreme and if I was a Muslim maybe a phonecall would have been made to the relevant authorities. Don't let this turn into racism - immigrants do enrich the British culture - it's the thing I miss here in Spain - diversity, in everything.

You are looking in the wrong place to put blame. You are being short sighted. You are not using that wonderful organ the brain - because it's been turned to mush by the media.

[Arkless Electronics]

Wait a minute here - there's equally as much shite in the Christian Bible - it's ignorant and misguided to suggest that all Muslim immigrants are out to chop people's heads off - they are not. Of course there are those with extreme views but there are Christians with extreme views - some of the views expressed here including my own might be classed as extreme and if I was a Muslim maybe a phonecall would have been made to the relevant authorities. Don't let this turn into racism - immigrants do enrich the British culture - it's the thing I miss here in Spain - diversity, in everything.

You are looking in the wrong place to put blame. You are being short sighted. You are not using that wonderful organ the brain - because it's been turned to mush by the media.

+1

[Marco]

As to your last paragraph... "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." Benjamin Franklin.

Liberté, égalité, fraternité + Peace and Love

Bien sur, mon ami

Let's have more hugs and less bombs. Don't get too 'frisky', though!

Marco.

[Ninanina]

Wait a minute here - there's equally as much shite in the Christian Bible - it's ignorant and misguided to suggest that all Muslim immigrants are out to chop people's heads off - they are not. Of course there are those with extreme views but there are Christians with extreme views - some of the views expressed here including my own might be classed as extreme and if I was a Muslim maybe a phonecall would have been made to the relevant authorities. Don't let this turn into racism - immigrants do enrich the British culture - it's the thing I miss here in Spain - diversity, in everything.

You are looking in the wrong place to put blame. You are being short sighted. You are not using that wonderful organ the brain - because it's been turned to mush by the media.

Yes that is all very true but 'generally' people who are Christians, or believe in other religions, even those with extreme views don't go around killing and maiming people

I actually have used my 'brain' and it's not been turned into 'mush' by the media.. however that is my view of things

I'm an atheist and I don't feel the need to believe in any religion to be a good law-abiding citizen

[Spectral Morn]

I'm upset about this, my daughter was friends with the little girl that died, so it's hit close to home....

The positive things from Monday are the way so many people (from the homeless chaps who ran in to help to the cabbies who travelled from miles away to take people home) did what they could to help. THAT is what we need to focus on.

I am very sorry to read that Paul

[Macca]

"For the first time in modern history, the political and corporate elite who have ruled the UK for decades are edging dangerously close to being removed by the people. A Labour government under Corbyn would completely jeopardise both their domestic and international plans which have been in full effect since the Thatcher era.....

What has happened in Manchester is truly horrific and who's responsible for it will probably remain unclear for many years to come. One thing is for certain though, that this has come at an unbelievably ideal time for those in power and over the next two weeks the media will now be entirely focused on this terrorist attack and not the disastrous Conservative party campaign that was losing support daily. It will be entirely focused on using this attack as further proof of why we need a 'strong and stable' leader and not a man of peace with 'terrorist links'. It will be focused on the need to get behind the party that will take the fight to the Islamic state and not the party who want to reduce military action in the Middle East. It will be used as proof of why we need to invest in nuclear weapons instead of social care. Ultimately it will be used to further divide and conquer society and to try and stop the current progressive left uprising in its tracks. Don't let this tragic loss of innocent life be used as a campaign tool for the people who inflict so much misery on the world.

We need to double up our efforts and remind people of exactly why we need a government committed to equality and peace, not warmongering and western imperialism because the lives of people both here and overseas are depending on it more than ever."

Sounds about right to me.

I was in 6th form in Liverpool in the 80s, knew a few of the Militant Tendancy boys. This is the same sort of thing they used to come out with. Although interestingly they dated the hegemony of the 'political and corporate elite' to way back before Thatcher. I suppose a generation has passed and there is no need to go back any further now, would only complicate the issue. Good to see 'western imperialism' used, the MT lads were very fond of that one. Brings back memories.

[walpurgis]

I'm an atheist and I don't feel the need to believe in any religion to be a good law-abiding citizen

Careful Bev. You'll have people telling you Atheism is a faith.

[farflungstar]

Yes that is all very true but 'generally' people who are Christians, or believe in other religions, even those with extreme views don't go around killing and maiming people

I actually have used my 'brain' and it's not been turned into 'mush' by the media.. however that is my view of things

I'm an atheist and I don't feel the need to believe in any religion to be a good law-abiding citizen

Wake up - this isn't about religion.

This is about brainwashed guys held in Guantanamo bay and trained by the US to carry out these kinds of ops or to aid others for the motives of the US.

It's about politics and power.

[Ninanina]

Careful Bev. You'll have people telling you Atheism is a faith.

[Ninanina]

I'm withdrawing from this thread as I can see it getting nasty

I'm going to listen to some music instead, much nicer..