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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkless Electronics View Post
    I'm glad I didn't have a mouthful of coffee to blurt out when I read that! You can not be serious!!?? Peaceful??? Expanded it's wonders to the colonies?

    I'll raise you the Crimean war, the Napoleonic wars, the civil war, the war of the roses, Korea and on to the war of Jenkin's ear, slavery, the east indies etc etc etc.

    Go and ask the Inuit, The Iroquois, The Sioux, The Aborigines, The Maori etc etc how much they loved their peace loving English/Western pals coming over to "help" them!
    Yes, it isn't the point I am making though. The point is that all of those countries in today's world are the most stable and peaceful places to live and they all share the same Establishment and for want of a better phrase 'philosophy of government' that always sees to it that that remains the case.

    Whilst the oil in the middle east remains necessary to that end nothing will change in our interactions there, not even if Corbyn becomes PM. He would not be able to do anything about it at all. No-one could.
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    This is worth a read. Let the Koran speak for itself.

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa.../violence.aspx
    Regards Neil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    It is what happens in real life in western democracies. Because they have strong and stable government.
    No, if governments didn't selfishly start wars, seeking to secure greater power and financial gain for the elite, and meddle in places they shouldn't, fuelling hatred in the process, ordinary people would get on much better, worldwide.

    It would be a lot less easy to get on with one another in peace in a state of anarchy.
    Indeed, but the "state of anarchy" you mention is ironically caused by the very folk you think are responsible for our "security and stability". It also stands to reason that the easiest way to get on with one another in peace, is when there is no war.

    Okay so the Establishment has corruption and nepotism and rips us off. They are the negatives.
    No, they're only the obvious ones - there is much worse, when you dig deep enough to find it.

    Can you have the positives without any negatives? No, not in the real world, so it is a trade-off I accept. Could we reduce the negatives? Yes. But not easily.
    The validity of your first sentence is undeniable, but I don't necessarily agree with what you consider as positives, or rather I'd say that things could be much more positive under rather different circumstances.

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    The idea that Corbyn wasn't building massive momentum in this election campaign before the tragic events of Monday night is what the papers and BBC would have you believe, but he was clearly on a roll. Have you seen the biased photos used of Corbyn & May on the campaign trail? Close up of May outside the battle bus up North somewhere made to look like a big jostling crowd and yet a sneaky distance shot shows it was about 12 people, all part of her retinue, crowded together with placards! Corbyn got the opposite treatment, close up photos at odd angles to make the crowds look tiny, whereas the ditnace shots that weren't used show great hordes of people numbering in the hundreds, if not thousands. Pure propaganda.

    I've just seen someone post the following on Facebook. It seems apt for this thread...

    "For the first time in modern history, the political and corporate elite who have ruled the UK for decades are edging dangerously close to being removed by the people. A Labour government under Corbyn would completely jeopardise both their domestic and international plans which have been in full effect since the Thatcher era.....

    What has happened in Manchester is truly horrific and who's responsible for it will probably remain unclear for many years to come. One thing is for certain though, that this has come at an unbelievably ideal time for those in power and over the next two weeks the media will now be entirely focused on this terrorist attack and not the disastrous Conservative party campaign that was losing support daily. It will be entirely focused on using this attack as further proof of why we need a 'strong and stable' leader and not a man of peace with 'terrorist links'. It will be focused on the need to get behind the party that will take the fight to the Islamic state and not the party who want to reduce military action in the Middle East. It will be used as proof of why we need to invest in nuclear weapons instead of social care. Ultimately it will be used to further divide and conquer society and to try and stop the current progressive left uprising in its tracks. Don't let this tragic loss of innocent life be used as a campaign tool for the people who inflict so much misery on the world.

    We need to double up our efforts and remind people of exactly why we need a government committed to equality and peace, not warmongering and western imperialism because the lives of people both here and overseas are depending on it more than ever."

    Sounds about right to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkless Electronics View Post
    +1 Well said. Sorry to hear that this atrocity has taken a friend of your daughters.
    +1. Very well said indeed!!

    Paul. I'm most saddened to hear about your personal involvement in the Manchester bombing. I hope your daughter and all concerned are coping as well as they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamics View Post

    not to be conflated with how a twenty year old British man can decide to kill his own citizens at pop concert
    The trouble is this, so called, British man did not see it as killing his own citizens

    If we do not follow the Quran and do not 'believe' then we are all 'infidels'... The Quran actually quotes this.. it goes something like this: "chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called hypocrites and warned that Allah will send them to hell if they do not join the slaughter

    It is also true that no Muslim can ever be called an infidel, however many he/she kills or maims, as long as he/she believes in Allah. If we do not 'believe' we don't stand a chance

    Don't forget though that we are all told they "enrich our lives" yeah right
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    Quote Originally Posted by LC1979 View Post
    The idea that Corbyn wasn't building massive momentum in this election campaign before the tragic events of Monday night is what the papers and BBC would have you believe, but he was clearly on a roll. Have you seen the biased photos used of Corbyn & May on the campaign trail? Close up of May outside the battle bus up North somewhere made to look like a big jostling crowd and yet a sneaky distance shot shows it was about 12 people, all part of her retinue, crowded together with placards! Corbyn got the opposite treatment, close up photos at odd angles to make the crowds look tiny, whereas the ditnace shots that weren't used show great hordes of people numbering in the hundreds, if not thousands. Pure propaganda.

    I've just seen someone post the following on Facebook. It seems apt for this thread...

    "For the first time in modern history, the political and corporate elite who have ruled the UK for decades are edging dangerously close to being removed by the people. A Labour government under Corbyn would completely jeopardise both their domestic and international plans which have been in full effect since the Thatcher era.....

    What has happened in Manchester is truly horrific and who's responsible for it will probably remain unclear for many years to come. One thing is for certain though, that this has come at an unbelievably ideal time for those in power and over the next two weeks the media will now be entirely focused on this terrorist attack and not the disastrous Conservative party campaign that was losing support daily. It will be entirely focused on using this attack as further proof of why we need a 'strong and stable' leader and not a man of peace with 'terrorist links'. It will be focused on the need to get behind the party that will take the fight to the Islamic state and not the party who want to reduce military action in the Middle East. It will be used as proof of why we need to invest in nuclear weapons instead of social care. Ultimately it will be used to further divide and conquer society and to try and stop the current progressive left uprising in its tracks. Don't let this tragic loss of innocent life be used as a campaign tool for the people who inflict so much misery on the world.

    We need to double up our efforts and remind people of exactly why we need a government committed to equality and peace, not warmongering and western imperialism because the lives of people both here and overseas are depending on it more than ever."

    Sounds about right to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LC1979 View Post
    The idea that Corbyn wasn't building massive momentum in this election campaign before the tragic events of Monday night is what the papers and BBC would have you believe, but he was clearly on a roll. Have you seen the biased photos used of Corbyn & May on the campaign trail? Close up of May outside the battle bus up North somewhere made to look like a big jostling crowd and yet a sneaky distance shot shows it was about 12 people, all part of her retinue, crowded together with placards! Corbyn got the opposite treatment, close up photos at odd angles to make the crowds look tiny, whereas the ditnace shots that weren't used show great hordes of people numbering in the hundreds, if not thousands. Pure propaganda.

    I've just seen someone post the following on Facebook. It seems apt for this thread...

    "For the first time in modern history, the political and corporate elite who have ruled the UK for decades are edging dangerously close to being removed by the people. A Labour government under Corbyn would completely jeopardise both their domestic and international plans which have been in full effect since the Thatcher era.....

    What has happened in Manchester is truly horrific and who's responsible for it will probably remain unclear for many years to come. One thing is for certain though, that this has come at an unbelievably ideal time for those in power and over the next two weeks the media will now be entirely focused on this terrorist attack and not the disastrous Conservative party campaign that was losing support daily. It will be entirely focused on using this attack as further proof of why we need a 'strong and stable' leader and not a man of peace with 'terrorist links'. It will be focused on the need to get behind the party that will take the fight to the Islamic state and not the party who want to reduce military action in the Middle East. It will be used as proof of why we need to invest in nuclear weapons instead of social care. Ultimately it will be used to further divide and conquer society and to try and stop the current progressive left uprising in its tracks. Don't let this tragic loss of innocent life be used as a campaign tool for the people who inflict so much misery on the world.

    We need to double up our efforts and remind people of exactly why we need a government committed to equality and peace, not warmongering and western imperialism because the lives of people both here and overseas are depending on it more than ever."

    Sounds about right to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LC1979 View Post
    The idea that Corbyn wasn't building massive momentum in this election campaign before the tragic events of Monday night is what the papers and BBC would have you believe, but he was clearly on a roll. Have you seen the biased photos used of Corbyn & May on the campaign trail? Close up of May outside the battle bus up North somewhere made to look like a big jostling crowd and yet a sneaky distance shot shows it was about 12 people, all part of her retinue, crowded together with placards! Corbyn got the opposite treatment, close up photos at odd angles to make the crowds look tiny, whereas the ditnace shots that weren't used show great hordes of people numbering in the hundreds, if not thousands. Pure propaganda.

    I've just seen someone post the following on Facebook. It seems apt for this thread...

    "For the first time in modern history, the political and corporate elite who have ruled the UK for decades are edging dangerously close to being removed by the people. A Labour government under Corbyn would completely jeopardise both their domestic and international plans which have been in full effect since the Thatcher era.....

    What has happened in Manchester is truly horrific and who's responsible for it will probably remain unclear for many years to come. One thing is for certain though, that this has come at an unbelievably ideal time for those in power and over the next two weeks the media will now be entirely focused on this terrorist attack and not the disastrous Conservative party campaign that was losing support daily. It will be entirely focused on using this attack as further proof of why we need a 'strong and stable' leader and not a man of peace with 'terrorist links'. It will be focused on the need to get behind the party that will take the fight to the Islamic state and not the party who want to reduce military action in the Middle East. It will be used as proof of why we need to invest in nuclear weapons instead of social care. Ultimately it will be used to further divide and conquer society and to try and stop the current progressive left uprising in its tracks. Don't let this tragic loss of innocent life be used as a campaign tool for the people who inflict so much misery on the world.

    We need to double up our efforts and remind people of exactly why we need a government committed to equality and peace, not warmongering and western imperialism because the lives of people both here and overseas are depending on it more than ever."

    Sounds about right to me.
    And me - brilliant stuff (that last bit in particular), which hits the nail firmly on the head, clearly written by someone with a good grasp of the current reality!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninanina View Post
    The trouble is this, so called, British man did not see it as killing his own citizens

    If we do not follow the Quran and do not 'believe' then we are all 'infidels'... The Quran actually quotes this.. it goes something like this: "chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called hypocrites and warned that Allah will send them to hell if they do not join the slaughter

    It is also true that no Muslim can ever be called an infidel, however many he/she kills or maims, as long as he/she believes in Allah. If we do not 'believe' we don't stand a chance

    Don't forget though that we are all told they "enrich our lives" yeah right
    I don't recall any Islamic terrorism directed at the west before we started bombing them... just saying..
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