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    everyone talking about the tories means testing the winter fuel allowance

    funnily enough :

    The Labour Party introduced Winter Fuel Payments in 1997. They were
    first announced by Gordon Brown, then Chancellor of the Exchequer, in
    his Pre-Budget Statement on 25 November 1997.8
    However, in a speech in 2013, then Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls said
    that given the pressures on public spending, when thinking about the
    Labour Party’s forthcoming Manifesto, it could no longer be a priority to
    continue paying the Winter Fuel Payment to the richest 5% of

    pensioners who paid higher rate tax.9 This was again confirmed by the
    Shadow Chancellor in March 2015, and was included in the Labour
    Party Manifesto 2015:
    We will stop paying Winter Winter Fuel Payments to the richest five per
    cent of pensioners.10

    however maens testing seems problematic . age concern said

    Why not means-test the winter fuel payment so it only
    goes to those who really need it?
    Means-tested benefits are complicated and often fail to reach
    many who need them. For example around of third of older
    people who are entitled to pension credit are missing out [Income
    Related Benefits: Estimates of Take-up in 2009-10 DWP, 2012].
    Universal benefits are the most effective way of ensuring that vital
    support reaches all who need it, including the very poorest who
    are not receiving the means-tested benefits they are entitled to.
    Any increase in means-testing risks penalising those vulnerable
    people who may slip through the net or who are too proud to
    claim. Over the years this universal benefit has become an
    essential weapon in the battle to stay warm during winter and is
    an important income boost for many older people with low state
    pensions
    And means-tested benefits are expensive to administer.

    much food for thought here , especially as prices rise for gas and leccie . we don`t want anyone to die of fuel poverty which they do now
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    Quote Originally Posted by hifinutt View Post
    everyone talking about the tories means testing the winter fuel allowance

    funnily enough :

    The Labour Party introduced Winter Fuel Payments in 1997. They were
    first announced by Gordon Brown, then Chancellor of the Exchequer, in
    his Pre-Budget Statement on 25 November 1997.8
    However, in a speech in 2013, then Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls said
    that given the pressures on public spending, when thinking about the
    Labour Party’s forthcoming Manifesto, it could no longer be a priority to
    continue paying the Winter Fuel Payment to the richest 5% of

    pensioners who paid higher rate tax.9 This was again confirmed by the
    Shadow Chancellor in March 2015, and was included in the Labour
    Party Manifesto 2015:
    We will stop paying Winter Winter Fuel Payments to the richest five per
    cent of pensioners.10

    however maens testing seems problematic . age concern said

    Why not means-test the winter fuel payment so it only
    goes to those who really need it?
    Means-tested benefits are complicated and often fail to reach
    many who need them. For example around of third of older
    people who are entitled to pension credit are missing out [Income
    Related Benefits: Estimates of Take-up in 2009-10 DWP, 2012].
    Universal benefits are the most effective way of ensuring that vital
    support reaches all who need it, including the very poorest who
    are not receiving the means-tested benefits they are entitled to.
    Any increase in means-testing risks penalising those vulnerable
    people who may slip through the net or who are too proud to
    claim. Over the years this universal benefit has become an
    essential weapon in the battle to stay warm during winter and is
    an important income boost for many older people with low state
    pensions
    And means-tested benefits are expensive to administer.

    much food for thought here , especially as prices rise for gas and leccie . we don`t want anyone to die of fuel poverty which they do now
    wish I got it. would help a lot.
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    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

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    I wish that ANYONE BUT the Tories would win the forthcoming election, as I detest both their policies and what they stand for, and that heartless witch, who poses as a 'prime minister', but unfortunately it looks like they're going to win by a landslide, as they've brainwashed the British public into thinking that they somehow care for the common man!

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    Tories/May will if reelected regulate the net. Net freedom gone. Americans are removing Net neutrality.

    Censorship of what you can see, where you can go, write etc will be imposed.
    Regards Neil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I wish that ANYONE BUT the Tories would win the forthcoming election, as I detest both their policies and what they stand for, and that heartless witch, who poses as a 'prime minister', but unfortunately it looks like they're going to win by a landslide, as they've brainwashed the British public into thinking that they somehow care for the common man!

    Marco.
    They only care for themselves.
    Regards Neil

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    ...and facilitating the best interests of the establishment.

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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

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    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    All the brexitt voters will then find out what they are missing. Alas it will be too late i think. Unlikely to be an alternative govt to Tories without an uprising and we dont do those much. Scotland is trying to fight them but will fail. People like me will just go down the drain.
    Regards,
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    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


    ***SMILE, BE HAPPY***

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    I'd string the whole shower of them up by their boz - and I bet that May bint has a pair of hairy ones too, under her M&S bloomers!

    Marco.
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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    I fully agree with all the above. You would have to a retard or intrinsically evil to vote tory!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I wish that ANYONE BUT the Tories would win the forthcoming election, as I detest both their policies and what they stand for, and that heartless witch, who poses as a 'prime minister', but unfortunately it looks like they're going to win by a landslide, as they've brainwashed the British public into thinking that they somehow care for the common man!

    Marco.
    I am appalled at the stupidity of the majority of the English public. Why do they believe the b*tch who is as much a megalomaniac as Trump?

    Yes social care is in crisis.
    Yes the poor are desperate.
    Yes the the NHS is in crisis.

    BUT the answer is NOT to take more money from them. Simply tax your rich friends and the corporation's who you know will employ you after government.

    It sickens me that anyone can believe the utter shite spouted by them.

    I don't much like Corben - but better a well meaning idealist than a cancerous parasite.

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