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    The answer is don't worry about this. Spend your money on amplification and speakers as this easily makes up for any difference and some, over and above formats. It always has. Usually if you get caught up in this, spend your money elsewhere for better benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I do agree, Simon, but I guess forums would die pretty quickly without some form of discussion, especially on 'hop topics' such as this. Incidentally, I feel exactly the same about threads revolving around the notion of: 'Do Cables Make A Difference?'

    Marco.
    That's a very interesting point though Marco.... So, do cables make a difference? Maybe someone could start a thread on that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkless Electronics View Post
    So, do cables make a difference? Maybe someone could start a thread on that?
    Are you volunteering Jez?
    It is impossible for anything digital to sound analogue, because it isn't analogue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    Are you volunteering Jez?
    Strangely enough I thought maybe someone with vastly more than my measly 3475 posts should grasp the mantle of such a far reaching and rarely discussed phenomena
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    ReVox PR99, Studer B62, Ferrograph Series 7, Tandberg TCD440, Hitachi FT-5500MkI, also FT-5500MkII
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkless Electronics View Post
    That's a very interesting point though Marco.... So, do cables make a difference? Maybe someone could start a thread on that?
    Well, if there were none in your system, you'd hear 'hee-haw', so I guess they do make a difference!

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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Well, if there were none in your system, you'd hear 'hee-haw', so I guess they do make a difference!

    Marco.
    Without these distortion causing abhorrences in our systems the silences are inky black and have a depth of realism that you just wouldn't believe apparently! The dynamics are truly shite though
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    ReVox PR99, Studer B62, Ferrograph Series 7, Tandberg TCD440, Hitachi FT-5500MkI, also FT-5500MkII
    Digital: Yamaha CDR-HD1500 (Digital Swiss army knife-CD recorder, player, hard drive, DAC and ADC in one), PC files via 24/96 sound card and SPDIF, modded Philips CD850, modded Philips CD104, modded DPA Little Bit DAC. Sennheiser HD580 cans with Arkless Headphone amp.
    Cables- free interconnects that come with CD players, mains leads from B&Q, dead kettles etc, extension leads from Tesco

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon_LDT View Post
    You can't make something sound good if it has been compromised somewhere along the chain before it even reaches your playback chain.
    Similarly you can start to make your playback chain sound good, if it has compromises after the recording reaches you.

    As example an understanding of recording processes shows there is potential of 30 db of untapped dynamic range awaiting, still
    in most of your recordings, but you are not hearing it.

    A just over 20Khz filter like a big road sign limiting frequency response for digital, is stopping it progressing further.

    http://wilson-benesch.com/reviews/Li...C_Sep-1998.pdf

    This raises a very interesting point if frequencies above 20khz have been lost during analog to digital conversion, or
    if they are still there, but only lost by the playback side limiting that frequency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light Dependant Resistor View Post
    Similarly you can start to make your playback chain sound good, if it has compromises after the recording reaches you.

    As example an understanding of recording processes shows there is potential of 30 db of untapped dynamic range awaiting, still
    in most of your recordings, but you are not hearing it.

    A just over 20Khz filter like a big road sign limiting frequency response for digital, is stopping it progressing further.

    http://wilson-benesch.com/reviews/Li...C_Sep-1998.pdf

    This raises a very interesting point if frequencies above 20khz have been lost during analog to digital conversion, or
    if they are still there, but only lost by the playback side limiting that frequency.
    Interesting point, but Hi Rez digital files that are recorded in 24 bit, 196KHz, supposedly top out at 26KHz. This is often why people think it sounds better than 16 bit audio. Those harmonics hiding up there that we don't know we are hearing. Of course that isn't the only reason it sounds better, greater resolution is the main reason.

    Many good phono cartridges claim high frequencies way up there 30KHz and up! Is there high frequency information on vinyl records that is being chopped off of 16bit Red Book CD's? Very possible, even if a vinyl record is from a digital master, that master could be 24bit, even 32bit. And contain high frequency information beyond the 20K filter on Red Book CD's. Perhaps we could get a government grant to study this issue? 100 million should get us started? It is important that we as a species know these things!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I do agree, Simon, but I guess forums would die pretty quickly without some form of discussion, especially on 'hop topics' such as this. Incidentally, I feel exactly the same about threads revolving around the notion of: 'Do Cables Make A Difference?'

    Marco.
    Cables make a difference? Why wasn't I told about this?


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    We were keeping it a secret, in order to protect the innocent.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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