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    I've just come across an article from Hi-Fi News, October 1967, which is making predictions as to what hi-fi will be like in the year 2000. It's interesting to see how the author thought things would develop.
    http://www.saturn-sound.com/images%2...67%20-%201.jpg

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    The author predicted that cartridges that would weigh only 1 gram and the tracking force would be only 0.1g !! He didn't predict that vinyl would become obsolete, then come back from the dead because "it sounds warmer"

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    Ah. Must be digital then!
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
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    Ah. Must be digital then!
    Yes, it's interesting that digital doesn't get a mention at all. I'm not sure when the first practical experiments with digital audio began but I thought the concept had been around for a very long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    Yes, it's interesting that digital doesn't get a mention at all. I'm not sure when the first practical experiments with digital audio began but I thought the concept had been around for a very long time.
    Back then computers were HUGE, with integrated circuits only really being introduced in the 60s, it wasn't until the 70s that personal computers started appearing and the 80s saw affordable options and sizes drop...hence CD players. But it is strange that the author didn't foresee digital tape players.

    Interestingly though the first PCM patent was filed in 1938 with the first mono PCM recorder deeloped in Japan in 1967.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    Yes, it's interesting that digital doesn't get a mention at all.
    I suspect that Geoff was being facetious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    He didn't predict that vinyl would become obsolete, then come back from the dead because "it sounds warmer"
    Lol - firstly, it was never "obsolete", certainly amongst enthusiasts who populate forums such as this, and secondly (unless you're having a larf) the fact that it 'came back from the dead' wasn't because it 'sounded warmer'.

    Marco.
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    Yes, I was 'aving a larf.
    Yes, vinyl never became obsolete as far as audiophiles were concerned but it was obsolete as a mainstream music medium. Now you can buy records in Sainsbury's!
    BTW, I'm pretty sure the hipster types who are playing records on those horrible turntables from Argos are convinced that they're getting a warmer sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    Yes, vinyl never became obsolete as far as audiophiles were concerned but it was obsolete as a mainstream music medium. Now you can buy records in Sainsbury's!
    Indeed... You're right, as far as the mainstream is concerned.

    However, it's also important to remember that even in its darkest days, when CD ruled the roost, vinyl 12" singles, of various forms of dance music, were being produced for DJs, in significant numbers, to play in radio stations, pubs and clubs around the world, and also bought (from independent record shops) by their fans to play at home, many of whom owned Technics SL-1200s.

    And that *that* was a significant part of what has kept vinyl alive today... So, long live the 'Techy', and long live vinyl itself!

    Interesting article though, Andrew, so thanks for sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Lol - firstly, it was never "obsolete", certainly amongst enthusiasts who populate forums such as this, and secondly (unless you're having a larf) the fact that it 'came back from the dead' wasn't because it 'sounded warmer'.

    Marco.
    with the improvements in dac technology I think the differences are becoming close to zero for the many now, instead of just a few. After saying that I think streaming will only enhance the life of vinyl.
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    DAC technology is one thing, and yes there have been some notable advances in that area, but in terms of streaming, which let's face it is the future of digital (not CD), it's not a simple task to achieve the highest sonic standards of music replay, simply because, unlike with analogue, the computers and associated electronics necessary are noisy things (in terms of polluting the mains), and so that very *key* area needs to be successfully addressed first, before streaming can usurp the performance available from the best turntables.

    I mean, you didn't just plug in your Pi, in its stock form, and were instantly met with glorious sounding music; you had to work at it a bit, and address the areas I've mentioned, before you got to where you are with it now...

    Marco.
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    My system:

    Modified Technics SL-1210MK5G/Mike New high-precision bearing & baseplate/Mike New ETP platter/Bruil record weight/Nagaoka GL602 crystal T/T mat. Paul Hynes SR7EHD PSU (plus regulator modules)/DCSXL pure-silver DC lead. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm/'Speedy Steve' custom-made Ebony armboard. Yannis Tome 423.5 Phono Silver-Litz tonearm cable, with Furutech CF-DIN(R) and Eichmann silver Bullet Plugs. Cartridges: Denon DL-S1 in AT MG-10 headshell with AT-6106 Quattro Hybrid lead-wire. Denon DL-103C1 in '103U' headshell with AT-609 silver lead-wire. Vintage Denon DL-103AU in AT-Ti15ANV Titanium Headshell. Shure M55E in Denon PCL-300 headshell with 6N silver lead-wire. Shure original USA SC35C. Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 transport/DAC. Raspberry Pi-3 Model B and IQaudio Pi-DAC+/Paul Hynes SR3DR-05 linear PSU/Williams Audio NAS linear PSU. Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X preamp. Modified Goldpoint SA4M-47 passive preamp. Stereo Coffee LDR. Head-amp: Paul Hynes design/SR5 PSU. Also modified Lentek. Tube Distinctions 50W Class A P/P Copper amp with cryo-treated Tung Sol KT150s. Speakers: 'Lockwood Majors', using 15" Tannoy Monitor Golds, modified with bespoke crossovers. Also Celestion Ditton 15XRs. Stands: Mana Acoustics (non-magnetic stainless steel 'clones’). Hi-Fi Racks Podium T/T wall shelf. Sony ST-5055L tuner. Cables: Furukawa EE/F-S 2mm & 2.6mm solid-core mains leads, fitted with Furutech FI-50 IECs and FI-1363Rs. Stereo interconnects: Sommer Carbokab 225 (with silver-plated MS Audio non-metallic POM RCAs). Speaker cable: VDH 'The Wind' Hybrid II. Digital coaxial cable: 1m Trompeter Electronics Triax TRC-75-2, with MS Audio ‘Starline' silver-plated RCAs. Mains block: Mark Grant 6-way, modded with Furutech FP-1363R sockets and Furukawa cable. Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW 16.5 record cleaner.

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