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    I've just come across an article from Hi-Fi News, October 1967, which is making predictions as to what hi-fi will be like in the year 2000. It's interesting to see how the author thought things would develop.
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    The author predicted that cartridges that would weigh only 1 gram and the tracking force would be only 0.1g !! He didn't predict that vinyl would become obsolete, then come back from the dead because "it sounds warmer"

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    Ah. Must be digital then!
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
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    Ah. Must be digital then!
    Yes, it's interesting that digital doesn't get a mention at all. I'm not sure when the first practical experiments with digital audio began but I thought the concept had been around for a very long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    Yes, it's interesting that digital doesn't get a mention at all. I'm not sure when the first practical experiments with digital audio began but I thought the concept had been around for a very long time.
    Back then computers were HUGE, with integrated circuits only really being introduced in the 60s, it wasn't until the 70s that personal computers started appearing and the 80s saw affordable options and sizes drop...hence CD players. But it is strange that the author didn't foresee digital tape players.

    Interestingly though the first PCM patent was filed in 1938 with the first mono PCM recorder deeloped in Japan in 1967.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    Yes, it's interesting that digital doesn't get a mention at all.
    I suspect that Geoff was being facetious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I suspect that Geoff was being facetious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    He didn't predict that vinyl would become obsolete, then come back from the dead because "it sounds warmer"
    Lol - firstly, it was never "obsolete", certainly amongst enthusiasts who populate forums such as this, and secondly (unless you're having a larf) the fact that it 'came back from the dead' wasn't because it 'sounded warmer'.

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    Yes, I was 'aving a larf.
    Yes, vinyl never became obsolete as far as audiophiles were concerned but it was obsolete as a mainstream music medium. Now you can buy records in Sainsbury's!
    BTW, I'm pretty sure the hipster types who are playing records on those horrible turntables from Argos are convinced that they're getting a warmer sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    Yes, vinyl never became obsolete as far as audiophiles were concerned but it was obsolete as a mainstream music medium. Now you can buy records in Sainsbury's!
    Indeed... You're right, as far as the mainstream is concerned.

    However, it's also important to remember that even in its darkest days, when CD ruled the roost, vinyl 12" singles, of various forms of dance music, were being produced for DJs, in significant numbers, to play in radio stations, pubs and clubs around the world, and also bought (from independent record shops) by their fans to play at home, many of whom owned Technics SL-1200s.

    And that *that* was a significant part of what has kept vinyl alive today... So, long live the 'Techy', and long live vinyl itself!

    Interesting article though, Andrew, so thanks for sharing

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    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Lol - firstly, it was never "obsolete", certainly amongst enthusiasts who populate forums such as this, and secondly (unless you're having a larf) the fact that it 'came back from the dead' wasn't because it 'sounded warmer'.

    Marco.
    with the improvements in dac technology I think the differences are becoming close to zero for the many now, instead of just a few. After saying that I think streaming will only enhance the life of vinyl.
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