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    Default Best dual concentric

    In September I plan on trying new speakers (currently Ane spx) and really would like to try high efficiency, point source speakers without crossovers. My budget will be around 3k and I'm happy to buy second hand (though it would have to be eBay as no one ships on AOS).

    What are the best available at that kind of price?
    Technics SP10 mk2
    Jan Allaerts MC 1 Boron mk1 cart
    Miyajima Shilabe cart
    Hashimoto HM-X SUT
    Siggwan (gimballed not unipivot) Cocobola 12"
    Aurorasound Vida LCR Phonostage
    The Truth linestage
    Dave Slagle Autoformer Volume Controller
    Cary 805c SET amps
    Audio Note ANe-SPX speakers
    Townshend Isolda speaker cables
    Cardas Golden Presence interconnects

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    Dual concentric speakers generally have crossovers and employ TWO drive units. One (the tweeter) central to the second, the bass cone.

    As for full range single drive units, the sky's the limit in choice really. Try Googling and you'll see.
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    ive loads of full range speaks and they are excellent. some of the old ones like my Telefunken paper coned ones are superb. nice simple sound
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    you just have to look at Tannoy crossovers to see its not just a cap.
    Yep.

    Here's a pic of a Tannoy HPD crossover by Paul / RFC.

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    I'm looking for simplicity, purity - if full range means no crossover then that's the way I'd go, though I think I'm right in saying that in a dual concentric it's just a capacitor? I'm an idiot when it comes to this particular topic.
    Technics SP10 mk2
    Jan Allaerts MC 1 Boron mk1 cart
    Miyajima Shilabe cart
    Hashimoto HM-X SUT
    Siggwan (gimballed not unipivot) Cocobola 12"
    Aurorasound Vida LCR Phonostage
    The Truth linestage
    Dave Slagle Autoformer Volume Controller
    Cary 805c SET amps
    Audio Note ANe-SPX speakers
    Townshend Isolda speaker cables
    Cardas Golden Presence interconnects

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    Quote Originally Posted by farflungstar View Post
    I'm looking for simplicity, purity - if full range means no crossover then that's the way I'd go, though I think I'm right in saying that in a dual concentric it's just a capacitor? I'm an idiot when it comes to this particular topic.
    you just have to look at Tannoy crossovers to see its not just a cap. with any fullrange speaker you can add a supertweeter with a cap
    Regards,
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    .... ..... ...... ...... ................... ..... ..... ..... ..... .....
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    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


    ***SMILE, BE HAPPY***

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    Would you consider making your own cabinets or baffles Adrian? Many full range speaker units only require fairly simple enclosures and this brings the cost down if you can do it yourself.
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    I'm not a fanboy of single driver speakers (apart from electrostatics) but by far the best I have heard are by Eclipse. The usual single driver tonal aberrations are largely absent and you get the coherence and purity benefits of a simple basic design.
    They look cool, too!



    As for Tannoy dual concentrics ... it's best not to ask me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    I'm not a fanboy of single driver speakers (apart from electrostatics) but by far the best I have heard are by Eclipse. The usual single driver tonal aberrations are largely absent and you get the coherence and purity benefits of a simple basic design.
    Yes, and simply replaced by those inherent in the design of whatever other speakers you're comparing them with!

    Speakers? None are perfect; ALL are coloured to some degree. Therefore, simply choose the "tonal aberrations" you can live with most...

    Best still, forget all about concerning yourself with single or multiple drivers, and simply, with a completely open mind, free from often misleading preconceptions, choose speakers that you like the looks and sound of the most, that work best with the kit you've got, and will fit into your room - end of

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    Ok so full range is probably the way to go for simplicity!

    I could probably have the cabinets made - with a little help...
    Technics SP10 mk2
    Jan Allaerts MC 1 Boron mk1 cart
    Miyajima Shilabe cart
    Hashimoto HM-X SUT
    Siggwan (gimballed not unipivot) Cocobola 12"
    Aurorasound Vida LCR Phonostage
    The Truth linestage
    Dave Slagle Autoformer Volume Controller
    Cary 805c SET amps
    Audio Note ANe-SPX speakers
    Townshend Isolda speaker cables
    Cardas Golden Presence interconnects

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