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    Quote Originally Posted by AlfaGTV View Post
    Thanks for the write-up Grant!

    Haven't heard any Oppo's but regularly use Hifiman HE-400i and HE-1000 planar phones. Also use Philips Fidelio X2, Denon AH-D2000 and assorted In Ears..

    Planars really gain from high quality head phone amps! Do NOT judge them with sub optimal amplification, which of course also applies to dynamics. Dynamics are generally the better choice, to my ears, if really good, powerful amplification isn't available!
    Using it with a nice dac amp at moment.(smsl m6 minidac) I have tried it with just a phone and although needed a bit more drive it sounded surprisingly decent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Sounds good , Grant.

    My experience with new dynamic cans is that they often need several dozen hours of running in to get to their best, some have even sounded horrid to start with but have turned out really good.
    I've no idea if that is true of planars, but I wouldn't be surprised.
    I suspect they will get even better over the coming weeks of use.
    Yes, when I first plugged in My first reaction was, oh shit, these are shit but they came on song and just got better and better
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    had these on all morning and have to say both comfort and sound wise you totally forget they are on. by far the most comfortable cans Ive used
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    final update I guess. Love these cans not for everyone but I like them. clarity and subtlety in spades. decent soundstage too so you forget they are on
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    Nice write-up, Grant

    They sound intriguing.

    I guess what you could do is plug them in, turn them up and then walk away to make a cuppa or drop the kids off at the pool or something .. anything that will occupy that ten to fifteen minutes
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    TBH the longer they are on the better they sound Paul. getting driven quite nicely with Jerrys dac/amp at moment via optical. A nice mix. No distortion and decent soundstage. they aint perfect but they are likely the best I will ever afford
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    I've always fancied trying a pair of high-end Stax (come to think of it, is there any other kind ??) but never have.

    Closest I got was a pair of AKG when I last went to HiFiHangar. They wanted 100 for them but they kept cutting out depending on how the wire was situated.
    The thing that got me - as you said - was the soundstage : it was really amazing, properly "out of your head" left and right

    I don't really use 'phones enough to justify a wodge of cash on them though.

    I've got AKG Y50 for travelling and Grado SR80i for home use and they're both decent enough.
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    Stax are electrostatic I think. use a generator of summat. not sure I want 10k v buzzing around my napper. pricey too. these are budget planars at about 350. most are over 1k and all way up. they are very nice and different to the normal driver thats for sure. Not everyones cuppa though I guess
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    When I was trying our various set ups for portable use (by that, I don't mean walking/running/cycling and the like, but for use when away from home in hotels, etc) I tried the PM3s, amongst many others. They're a nice phone, best used with an amp IME (a Mojo worked really well).

    I ended up with the Audeze Sine with the Cipher cable. This set up is much more convenient (if you're an Apple device user) and SQ is, for me, a notch above the Oppo (slightly more dynamic, whilst not becoming harsh; improved sense of space; better detail: these comments apply to me, my musical tastes and my hearing. Headphones are just so personal that everyone will have a different take). They are also a tad more comfortable. As the amp is in the cable, you can set the EQ using the Audeze app which is stored in the amp, so you can use the same settings on any Apple device. Nice touch. Having said that, I tend to use it 'flat', as it were.

    Definitely worth considering if you're looking at this type of 'phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simon g View Post
    When I was trying our various set ups for portable use (by that, I don't mean walking/running/cycling and the like, but for use when away from home in hotels, etc) I tried the PM3s, amongst many others. They're a nice phone, best used with an amp IME (a Mojo worked really well).

    I ended up with the Audeze Sine with the Cipher cable. This set up is much more convenient (if you're an Apple device user) and SQ is, for me, a notch above the Oppo (slightly more dynamic, whilst not becoming harsh; improved sense of space; better detail: these comments apply to me, my musical tastes and my hearing. Headphones are just so personal that everyone will have a different take). They are also a tad more comfortable. As the amp is in the cable, you can set the EQ using the Audeze app which is stored in the amp, so you can use the same settings on any Apple device. Nice touch. Having said that, I tend to use it 'flat', as it were.

    Definitely worth considering if you're looking at this type of 'phone.
    interesting Simon. I decided to rule them out as they were on ear and i prefer over for comfort. like the cable amp/dac idea
    Regards,
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    .... ..... ...... ...... ................... ..... ..... ..... ..... .....
    IMUTO TAURUS X4 BATTERY SUPPLY. - RPI2B & AUDIOPHONICS DAC running MOODE 3.7- TONBRUX BATTERY SUPPLY & CHROMECAST2 AUDIO DONGLE no1 - JBE SERIES 3 SLATEDECK & EMOTIVA XPS-1 PHONO - DENON DV2900 - TWIN PRO MONOBLOCK AMPLIFIERS. - XIANG SHENG DAC\PRE\HEADPHONE AMP. -AUDIO TECHNICA ATH-MSR7 & OPPO PM-3 PLANAR HEADPHONES - WIN10 JRIVER22, SPOTIFY PREMIUM- KINPS CABLES, SMSL M6 MINIDAC, CHROMECAST2 AUDIO DONGLE no2 POWERED BY ANKER BATTERY PSU - FULL RANGE TWIN & SINGLE TELEFUNKEN's - Q ACOUSTIC BT3 actives - CANTON SUB - TANDBERG TCD310 CASS - CARTS.. ACD xlm mk1 integra, AT95 Shibata, SHURE M55E original, JVC MD1029. - RCA CABLES BY BRIAN SPKR CABLES BY MOI HAIR BY MARCO FEET BY ELECTRICBEACH - MAINS REGENERATED BY POWERINSPIRED AND FILTERED BY BELKIN PUREAV.

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