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    Default Chaise Lounge killed my Sounds...

    Jeez, this game is like a Rubik Cube!

    So, I set my new rig up and had that familiar feeling of somethings not right.

    On this occasion it was an unbalanced sound with an emphasised low end and vocals to the left.

    This then triggered that familiar routine of find the issue. I'm sure you all know that one?

    So anyway after a day or two of speaker positioning, swapping speakers, cables, valves, web searches, trying to convince myself that its all in my head, researching whether I can have a balance pot fitted to my new amp! I discovered that it's our chaise lounge!

    I have the rig set up opposite the sofa which has a long chaise directly facing the left speaker. When I lift the chaise section open (it has storage space underneath) and leave it in a vertical position the sound suddenly snaps into place. The bass response shifts evenly and the vocals centralise. Not only that but the sound blooms in a very pleasant way and all the magic returns.

    Trouble is I'm left with a rather odd looking room LOL.

    In a way I'm glad I found the issue and its not my equipment. On the other hand it may have just been easier to change a component as I can't see me slipping the sofa out the house without finding myself on the street with it. If you follow my drift

    So, I've never experienced a room issue before and was thinking that I would see what the good folk at AOS may suggest.

    Currently, I'm thinking that the little Totem Arros are just not powerful enough to drive the room without the obvious imbalance or seeing if a large foot stool at the other end of the sofa may balance things out.

    I would loathed however, to change the Arros as they have a very magical feel and sound about them.

    Any thoughts, beyond psychiatry?
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    only put it vertical when you use the stereo, or move things about
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    Add a second one ? in front of the other speaker ?
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    My inclination would be to upgrade the sofa/setee situation, and also please the other half in the process of deliberately making the room acoustic more symmetrical.

    You may find that a deliberate attempt to make the room more acoustically symmetrical improves it beyond the best you can achieve now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    only put it vertical when you use the stereo, or move things about
    Having just bought the sofa new a couple of months ago, I think this is the best I'm going to get.

    Out of interest can more powerful speakers make up for such room imbalances?

    I'm thinking something with a more powerful bass response might shift the balance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intenso View Post
    Jeez, this game is like a Rubik Cube!

    So, I set my new rig up and had that familiar feeling of somethings not right.

    On this occasion it was an unbalanced sound with an emphasised low end and vocals to the left.

    This then triggered that familiar routine of find the issue. I'm sure you all know that one?

    So anyway after a day or two of speaker positioning, swapping speakers, cables, valves, web searches, trying to convince myself that its all in my head, researching whether I can have a balance pot fitted to my new amp! I discovered that it's our chaise lounge!

    I have the rig set up opposite the sofa which has a long chaise directly facing the left speaker. When I lift the chaise section open (it has storage space underneath) and leave it in a vertical position the sound suddenly snaps into place. The bass response shifts evenly and the vocals centralise. Not only that but the sound blooms in a very pleasant way and all the magic returns.

    Trouble is I'm left with a rather odd looking room LOL.

    In a way I'm glad I found the issue and its not my equipment. On the other hand it may have just been easier to change a component as I can't see me slipping the sofa out the house without finding myself on the street with it. If you follow my drift

    So, I've never experienced a room issue before and was thinking that I would see what the good folk at AOS may suggest.

    Currently, I'm thinking that the little Totem Arros are just not powerful enough to drive the room without the obvious imbalance or seeing if a large foot stool at the other end of the sofa may balance things out.

    I would loathed however, to change the Arros as they have a very magical feel and sound about them.

    Any thoughts, beyond psychiatry?
    Your sound is being sofacated!


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    Why don't you try filling the storage space with blankets, cushions etc. It may be that you are hearing a resonant chamber!

    Otherwise, my guidance is symmetry in all things!

    Geoff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherwood View Post
    Why don't you try filling the storage space with blankets, cushions etc. It may be that you are hearing a resonant chamber!

    Otherwise, my guidance is symmetry in all things!

    Geoff
    Yes that helped a bit, sofa so good

    But still better with the thing open.

    The sound just seems to bloom and balance so much better with the thing open.

    I still can't help but wonder whether a speaker with a more powerful bottom end would drive the room better.
    Last edited by Intenso; 10-05-2017 at 10:59. Reason: typo
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    Where there is a will .
    Regards,
    Grant .... ؠ ......Don't be such a big girl's blouse

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply-doesn't-work
    .... ..... ...... ...... ................... ..... ..... ..... ..... .....
    FIIO K7 BT, M11 PLUS, BTR7, KA5 - OPPO BDP-103D - PANASONIC UB450 - PANASONIC 4K ULTRA HD TV - PIXEL 6 - AVANTREE LR BLUETOOTH - 2* X600 SOUNDCORE - HEADPHONES INCLUDE, FIIO, NURAPHONES', FOCAL, OPPO, BOSE, CAMBRIDGE, BOWER & WILKINS, DEVIALET, MARSHALL, SONY, MITCHELL & JOHNSTON - 2*ZBOOK'S- MERCURY BD ROM, ROON, QOBUZ, TIDAL, PLEX, CYBERLINK, JRIVER - MULTI HDD'S -

    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


    ***SMILE, BE HAPPY***

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    Your speakers are fine, I've always liked the Totem range. I don't think the chaise is the source of your malaise either!

    I am guessing that when you open up the flap you are initiating an ad hoc room treatment, possibly involving some damping and/or deflection of standing waves. I have found that some room divider type panels can help with room problems, alongside other damping (e.g. using bookshelves, heavy drapes, wall hangings etc). A large architectural plant can alway bring about major improvements depending on the nature of your speaker-room-ear interactions.

    Geoff

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