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    I have reflected on your reflection of the reflection, and I have come to the conclusion that this reflects badly on the thread. On reflection, we should have just asked David. He could have reflected on his post, and taken a picture with less reflection.
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    I used standard two-part Araldite and mine is one of the old ones, also bolted to the chassis.

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    Hi Martin,
    Did you bolt and bond you base Plate, bloody ell you will never get it off!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CageyH View Post
    I have reflected on your reflection of the reflection, and I have come to the conclusion that this reflects badly on the thread. On reflection, we should have just asked David. He could have reflected on his post, and taken a picture with less reflection.
    Are you sure about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_New View Post
    Did you bolt and bond you base Plate, bloody ell you will never get it off!!!
    I had no intention of ever getting it off!!

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    A question please?

    If I recall correctly the base plate was originally introduced to deal with a possible weakness in the bottom of the Technics turntable being asked to support a heavy bearing and a very heavy platter (Mike's original metal platter), the combined weight of both maybe overtaxing the structure of the Technics. So as the original Funk platter is fairly light, and the ETP - I guess - much lighter than the original metal platter, surely this base plate now serves no practical purpose (or the originally thought of purpose) other than maybe being required to raise the platter to help with making the Technics more compatibility with certain tonearms and cart combinations?


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    I think it does serve a purpose in supporting the bearing on a section of chassis that could be prone to flexing. Providing reinforcement at that point is bound to help the stylus trace the groove more accurately. After all, the entire platter/mat/record is being supported by just that area of cast aluminium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    I used standard two-part Araldite and mine is one of the old ones, also bolted to the chassis.
    This is exactly what I did with mine and I still use the old al+cu platter, perhaps I should upgrade at some point?
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    Hi Neil,

    Like Martin says, the bearing base plate is simply to add a bit more rigidity to the whole assembly and give the bearing something more substantial to 'bite against'.

    It should make a small, but noticeable, difference... It's the final piece in the jigsaw for me, anyway, so it makes sense to make sure that all the boxes are ticked!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    I must be honest and say I have always wondered if this small plate can possibly strengthen the bottom of the deck, surely to do this it should be much bigger, maybe to the point of covering the entire bottom of the turntable. I also feel the fixing method is not precise enough to guarantee the surface the bearing is to be mounted to is level, way too much rests on the skill in spreading glue in an even way and any deviation from true would not be ideal.

    I agree that the mounting holes for the original bearing isn't very strong and thus not ideal for anything mounted there, original bearing or Mike's but is the plate the best solution to this problem? I am not convinced it is but a better solution may be too difficult to implement without an entirely new bottom to the turntable and after that we are heading for a Monarch typed solution I feel; ie just use the electronics etc and replace the entire body of the deck.


    Regards Neil

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