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  1. #31
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    Hi Simon,

    Good post!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamics View Post
    Forums are not about a kind of gratification that what you are saying is right or wrong, and that others should advocate it because you believe or know absolutely you are right. You may well be and I hope you are, but to be honest thats not the point of forums. They are just to share experience mainly.
    Absolutely spot on. That is *precisely* what they are for, or indeed should be. However, it's certainly how we view things on AoS.

    That's why unless someone is stating their opinion or experience as FACT, no 'proof' or evidence of whatever is being reported is needed. If willingly offered, that's different, but no-one here will ever be badgered into giving it. Information provided, therefore, simply acts as VALID subjective experience or opinion, which others reading can treat as they wish (question, accept or dismiss).

    That is conversely also why where any arguable 'grey area' exists, no matter how small, no-one here is automatically right or wrong, or gets to conclusively (or arrogantly) judge as 'nonsense' what is simply someone else's contrary experience or opinion. Posting on hi-fi forums isn't (or shouldn't be) like sitting an exam, or where 'scientific facts' are formed!

    They exist as places for people to conduct informal chats, with other (hopefully) like-minded enthusiasts, on topics of mutual interest, in the hope that sharing collective experiences may be helpful to others. That also applies when technical matters are being discussed, and where two educated and experienced professionals disagree on something that, despite what one of them may think, isn't of a black or white nature.

    But when people present an argument that is ludicrous to most, it will come across in the thread anyway.
    Indeed, which is why on AoS we believe very much in allowing discussions to evolve 'organically', rather than conforming to some rigid notion of what is considered as 'correct'. Despite what some may think, hi-fi forums don't double as formal debating societies, therefore neither should discussions therein conform to their rules.

    People do have a right not to be offended especially when you admit you are causing offence by virtue of comments you say are crap. You've no idea what your offence does to someone, and no you don't have the right to offend someone on someone else's forum who sets the rules for how people engage with each other.
    Precisely. No-one here has a 'right' to *anything* other than being treated with due courtesy and civility, and we proactively moderate all discussions here with that in mind.

    To be honest if this was my forum I'd maybe allow people to engage in a bit more robust debate....
    Robust debate here is allowed, and indeed actively encouraged. The problem often is in applying that 'robustness' solely to the subject of the debate, not the debater..... In that respect, we have one simple rule: always play the BALL, not the man!

    Marco.
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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Point being missed here. No-one objects to incorrect technical advice being corrected, it is the manner in which it is done. Personal, disparaging and insulting remarks are not desirable here, and, in any case, detract from the rebuttal as opposed to reinforcing it.
    Precisely - and some folk here need to allow that to sink in, and indeed understand what qualifies as such!

    Here's something to consider: if you know someone is stating something that is patently untrue (or that you consider is almost certainly wrong), be patient with them and explain where they're mistaken, rather than simply ridiculing them, thereby in the process making you look arrogant and causing that person offence.

    The fact is, ridicule neither informs nor educates - and most importantly, wins you no friends.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Precisely - and some folk here need to allow that to sink in, and indeed understand what qualifies as such!

    Furthermore, here's something to consider: if you know that a person is stating something that is patently untrue (or that you consider is wrong), be patient with them and explain where they're mistaken, rather than simply ridiculing them, thereby in the process making you look arrogant and causing them offence.

    The fact is, ridicule neither informs nor educates - and most importantly, it wins you no friends.

    Marco.
    The point that is being missed, is a person is only properly patiently able to explain "where theyr'e mistaken " if they have indeed heard each,
    otherwise the forum might have to change name to "The Art of Words "

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    Sorry Chris, don't get what you mean

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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    Hi Marco
    If a person places words describing sound, but then makes the wrong choice not to listen to what they
    are describing, then their chosen words become much less in meaning. Whereas a person who has heard and then
    describes what they hear, then their words become meaningful.

    Cheers / Chris

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    Ah ok, gotcha now, and yes I agree!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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