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    Silberstatic.

    I went in here twice.

    Each time I heard a lot of clarity and speed, but no bass. Huge panels on these. Some Fat Freddy looking type dude seemed to be really into them. I can kind of see why, but I just didn't hear any LF to speak of at any time. I stand corrected if somebody heard some.

    The video shows no signs of bass, but lots of speed. That sort of perception occurs when bass is lacking, though. And also, the camera mic ignores low bass anyway, but it can pick up more than we hear here.

    The speakers are suspended up off the floor and were a long way from the front wall. Maybe re-positioning would have helped with LF. I think it would.

    Better results from the Audio Exclusiv stats which I may cover later on. They were volume constrained, though. Panel buzz issues at what I would call not loud.

    Maybe I am being too honest here. I'll never make a hi-fi reviewer, not that I have ever aspired to be one. What I thought is what you get. Like it or not. But there is no intention to attack or upset. There is however a high priority attributed to reporting what I heard and perceived as accurately as I can within obvious effort constraints. I'm not spending hours on this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by User211 View Post
    , lots of speed. ]
    That explains why Fat Freddy was there.
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    EAR.

    Including Tom's current preamp

    Just a few snaps. Not able to assess it when I was in there.

    Pretty knackered tonight going to fire up the system and enjoy a couple of glasses...






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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    That explains why Fat Freddy was there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User211 View Post
    Silberstatic.

    I went in here twice.

    Each time I heard a lot of clarity and speed, but no bass. Huge panels on these. Some Fat Freddy looking type dude seemed to be really into them. I can kind of see why, but I just didn't hear any LF to speak of at any time. I stand corrected if somebody heard some.

    The video shows no signs of bass, but lots of speed. That sort of perception occurs when bass is lacking, though. And also, the camera mic ignores low bass anyway, but it can pick up more than we hear here.

    The speakers are suspended up off the floor and were a long way from the front wall. Maybe re-positioning would have helped with LF. I think it would.

    Better results from the Audio Exclusiv stats which I may cover later on. They were volume constrained, though. Panel buzz issues at what I would call not loud.

    Maybe I am being too honest here. I'll never make a hi-fi reviewer, not that I have ever aspired to be one. What I thought is what you get. Like it or not. But there is no intention to attack or upset. There is however a high priority attributed to reporting what I heard and perceived as accurately as I can within obvious effort constraints. I'm not spending hours on this.

    Interesting Justin ... music on the video sounds dire (who on earth spend 25k Euros on speakers to listen to eurotrash!) when I went in as I recall they were playing some jazz I think from the TT, it seemed the bass was both there and realistic. They had several sizes there, I took their leaflet, the big ones (which were on when I went in) supposedly measure from 33hz at -3db, which is in theory better than my Tannoys (36hz at -3db in those cabs of mine), no lack of low bass from those.

    Actually the Kingsound panels were even better, same sort of money, vinyl front end, very enjoyable.

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    You sure they weren't the Audio Exclusiv? I confused them - they look like Kingsound.

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    OK. on the previous flagship model of tune audio, they had a cone driver in the midrange horn (or i was told so...)
    Gordan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by User211 View Post
    EAR.

    Lovely... I've always wanted to try one of those!

    Dig the 'industrial chic' vibe, too....

    Marco.
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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

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    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    My favourites were a bit more prosaic ... the Thoress room was interesting, Reinhart Thoress's phono pre is stunning something I'd love to put up against the EAR 912. He also had a pretty cool set of cartridges made in Munich by a Singaporean guy, these sounded great but a bit pricey for something that isn't really a brand yet, and his own speakers.

    Thoress:


    Interesting, Tom. I've long lusted after Thoress gear, as I just love the retro styling and design principles, but have never heard any of it, so it's good to know you were suitably impressed.

    Would I be right in thinking that the sound it produces isn't of the smoothed-off, 'warm & cuddly' nature, so often representative of high-end valve gear?

    Hecos - the little one was an absolute star:



    The Hecos - the little single driver ones - provided the biggest surprise of the show, absolutely lovely. I'd love to hear the big ones too.
    Wide baffles rool!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    ........
    Hecos - the little one was an absolute star:
    That looks interesting - a major manufacturer doing a full range, single driver speaker. I wonder how it will compare against Omega etc, particularly when fed by something simple but lovely, like an OTO SE.


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