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  1. #81
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    Hahahaha - at least both resemble proper football teams, mate, unlike your lot!

    Marco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hahahaha - at least both resemble proper football teams, mate, unlike your lot!

    Marco.
    indeed, Utd are not at their best yet

    Gers are not anything yet but have some hopes
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  3. #83
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    Yes


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    ...I have no bananas?

    Marco.
    "A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do". - Milan Kundera.

    "Your validity or worth are not defined or determined by the views of others with their own superimposed agendas". - Pharos (on AoS)

    My system:

    Modified Technics SL-1210MK5G/Mike New high-precision bearing & baseplate/Mike New ETP platter/Bruil record weight/Nagaoka GL602 crystal T/T mat. Paul Hynes SR7EHD PSU (plus regulator modules)/DCSXL pure-silver DC lead. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm/'Speedy Steve' custom-made Ebony armboard. Yannis Tome 423.5 Phono Silver-Litz tonearm cable, with Furutech CF-DIN(R) and Eichmann silver Bullet Plugs. Cartridges: Denon DL-S1 in AT MG-10 headshell with AT-6106 Quattro Hybrid lead-wire. Denon DL-103C1 in '103U' headshell with AT-609 silver lead-wire. Vintage Denon DL-103AU in AT-Ti15ANV Titanium Headshell. Shure M55E in Denon PCL-300 headshell with 6N silver lead-wire. Shure original USA SC35C. Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 transport/DAC. Raspberry Pi-3 Model B and IQaudio Pi-DAC+/Paul Hynes SR3DR-05 linear PSU/Williams Audio NAS linear PSU. Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X preamp. Modified Goldpoint SA4M-47 passive preamp. Stereo Coffee LDR. Head-amp: Paul Hynes design/SR5 PSU. Also modified Lentek. Tube Distinctions 50W Class A P/P Copper amp with cryo-treated Tung Sol KT150s. Speakers: 'Lockwood Majors', using 15" Tannoy Monitor Golds, modified with bespoke crossovers. Also Celestion Ditton 15XRs. Stands: Mana Acoustics (non-magnetic stainless steel 'clones’). Hi-Fi Racks Podium T/T wall shelf. Sony ST-5055L tuner. Cables: Furukawa EE/F-S 2mm & 2.6mm solid-core mains leads, fitted with Furutech FI-50 IECs and FI-1363Rs. Stereo interconnects: Sommer Carbokab 225 (with silver-plated MS Audio non-metallic POM RCAs). Speaker cable: VDH 'The Wind' Hybrid II. Digital coaxial cable: 1m Trompeter Electronics Triax TRC-75-2, with MS Audio ‘Starline' silver-plated RCAs. Mains block: Mark Grant 6-way, modded with Furutech FP-1363R sockets and Furukawa cable. Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW 16.5 record cleaner.

  5. #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Yes that is what I am saying. Having a friend who is not afraid to say 'That sounds shit, mate' is really very useful, but you can't be dragging them round for a listen all the time which is why I find pretending it is not your own system to be a useful exercise..
    My ex wife was always quick to point out what sounded like shit!


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaGT View Post
    My ex wife was always quick to point out what sounded like shit!


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    is that why she is an ex wife Russell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaGT View Post
    My ex wife was always quick to point out what sounded like shit!


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    Better photo Russell

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    Actually this wires thing is intriguing.
    Simple engineering claims there are few variables in a low level Wires setup typical of Audio uses.
    Yet there can be audible differences. I've heard them.
    Although to be truthful the differences I've noticed was from replacing cheap Chinese interconnect wires..
    (impulse buy from the local Ebay junk reseller. Hey! only a couple of $)
    With middle of the road Kimber ones. Astounding differences actually. Beyond that? no differences noticed, before or after.
    May be my ears .. or may not.
    Does it matter if one can't hear it
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    Quote Originally Posted by danilo View Post
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    Does it matter if one can't hear it
    Well it does seem to for those who can't but insist everyone else can't too.

    Problem is just because you can't hear it in isolation doesn't mean it is not having an audible effect on the whole sound. Isolating one area of the response in a review: 'This cable added a little bit more sparkle in the top end' compared to the previous cable', for example, isn't telling the whole story. The difference may be most noticeable in the top but it will be making a difference across the whole frequency response. Just because it is most obvious in one area does not mean that it is absent elsewhere in the frequency response.

    So if you change the cable and despite straining, hear no obvious difference, after forgetting about it and listening to a couple of hours of music for pleasure, you may gradually become aware that the sound is different, maybe even better.

    If you are just going to go with the 'Science says no!' approach you may well ignore this or consider it to be a psychological effect, you are more relaxed etc. Which it could be of course. Certainly this is a cheaper approach to system building, if nothing else.

    Sadly for me having done the subjective testing myself I can't buy into it and so have to use cables that cost more than a few quid. I tested them using the intro from the ACDC song 'Live Wire' - just a guitar through an amp, amp miked up, no other instruments or vocal.

    You need to use something sparse and recorded in a live acoustic like this IMV if you want to hear the differences between interconnects made obvious. Just bang on a full on rock track, or even an orchestra, then it will be much harder to spot, maybe even impossible. This I think is why there are a fair few people who say they have tried different cables and heard no difference, despite not giving a fig about the science.

    I reckon I could dem to anyone the audible difference between cables to their satisfaction, using the method above. Not talking night and day differences, but enough that to pass it off as expectation bias or similar starts to seem a bit ridiculous. I mean you trust your sense enough to know when to pull out onto a busy roundabout, but when it comes to hi-fi you can't rely on them at all? That's silly.

    Would also happily do an ABX, put money on it as well. And I'm deffo not a golden ears, I don't hear half the stuff some other people do, until they point it out to me.
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    Yes cables make a difference. I unplugged all mine and could'nt hear a thing. I'll get my coat. But before I do, can I ask a genuine question? These subjective versus objective judgement arguments are raging all over this forum at the moment and probably always will and with that in mind, has there been an example of a technology that was claimed to make a difference, laughed out of the house by electronic engineers, scientists etc as impossible, which was then at a later date proven to be correct and testable in a scientific setting. A result that had electronics engineers and scientists holding up their hands and apologising?

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