View Poll Results: Do cables make a difference to your listening experience.

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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe View Post
    Maybe they've just never bothered experimenting with cables. Just hooked the stuff together and left well alone, saving themselves £££s and a lot of grief in the process.
    I only bought my first 'proper' interconnect cables because I had read about them in magazines and because I was not happy with my system and thought they might be a solution. Ditto with speaker cables. If there had no been a problem I would not have bothered as money was tight way back then.

    I think they were the Tandy 'gold' interconnects which were inexpensive but a flavour of the month at the time (1991-ish).

    They did improve the sound but were not a fix for the problem which later turned out to be that the kit I was using was crap.

    Still, you live and learn. The point was the Tandy leads did indeed sound both different and, to me, better than the freebie leads they replaced.
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  2. #52
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    I must admit that I have put down never for the poll.

    Because I run true balanced cables driven by ATC SCA2, I can use almost anything. There are slight differences between cables if you keep them in long enough to get to know their "flavour". I tried AudioNote ANVX silver cable instead of my usual Klotz/Mogami/VanDamm cable and I could not notice anything different that would make one better than the other.

  3. #53
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    You can't vote never and then admit there is a 'flavour'

    Or maybe you can, the poll is a bit ambiguous I suppose.
    Martin



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  4. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    You can't vote never and then admit there is a 'flavour'

    Or maybe you can, the poll is a bit ambiguous I suppose.
    As the poster was asking if different cables make a difference to the listening experience, I put down No because I do not worry what cables are there as I have the system sorted and enjoy it as it is.

  5. #55
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    Do you reckon that you could put freebie leads back in and it not be any issue? I tried that and it was.

    Could be other factors I suppose, it wasn't night and day but they didn't stay in. Don't get me wrong I'd rather there was not a difference or at least not a discernible one, doesn't really matter to me if it did all turn out to be psychological: If I hear it, repeatedly and reversibly then its reality for me regardless of theory.
    Martin



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  6. #56
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    I need a "rarely" or "occasionally, but the change is not worth bothering about" 'box' for me to vote as I find.
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  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    If I hear it, repeatedly and reversibly then its reality for me regardless of theory.
    +1. It's called being a free-thinker, and thus having the gumption *ultimately* to apply your own judgement criteria to matters, regardless of what 'science says' is right.

    Marco.
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    Modified Technics SL-1210MK5G/Mike New high-precision bearing & baseplate/Mike New ETP platter/Bruil record weight/Nagaoka GL602 crystal T/T mat. Paul Hynes SR7EHD PSU (plus regulator modules)/DCSXL pure-silver DC lead. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm/'Speedy Steve' custom-made Ebony armboard. Yannis Tome 423.5 Phono Silver-Litz tonearm cable, with Furutech CF-DIN(R) and Eichmann silver Bullet Plugs. Cartridges: Denon DL-S1 in AT MG-10 headshell with AT-6106 Quattro Hybrid lead-wire. Denon DL-103C1 in '103U' headshell with AT-609 silver lead-wire. Vintage Denon DL-103AU in AT-Ti15ANV Titanium Headshell. Shure M55E in Denon PCL-300 headshell with 6N silver lead-wire. Shure original USA SC35C. Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 transport/DAC. Raspberry Pi-3 Model B and IQaudio Pi-DAC+/Paul Hynes SR3DR-05 linear PSU/Williams Audio NAS linear PSU. Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X preamp. Stereo Coffee LDR. Head-amp: Paul Hynes design/SR5 PSU. Also modified Lentek. Tube Distinctions 50W Class A P/P Copper amp with cryo-treated Tung Sol KT150s. Speakers: 'Lockwood Majors', using 15" Tannoy Monitor Golds, modified with bespoke crossovers. Also Celestion Ditton 15XRs. Stands: Mana Acoustics (non-magnetic stainless steel 'clones’). Hi-Fi Racks Podium T/T wall shelf. Sony ST-5055L tuner. Cables: Furukawa EE/F-S 2mm & 2.6mm solid-core mains leads, fitted with Furutech FI-50 IECs and FI-1363Rs. Stereo interconnects: Sommer Carbokab 225 (with silver-plated MS Audio non-metallic POM RCAs). Speaker cable: VDH 'The Wind' Hybrid II. Digital coaxial cable: 1m Trompeter Electronics Triax TRC-75-2, with MS Audio ‘Starline' silver-plated RCAs. Mains block: Mark Grant 6-way, modded with Furutech FP-1363R sockets and Furukawa cable. Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW 16.5 record cleaner.

  8. #58
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    Blueflash, how do you find the SCA2, and do you think it is overpriced?
    Have you by any chance compared it with an AVI S2000MP?

    I use Van Damme BTW. If you are using the SPA2 do you find that speaker cables make a significant difference?

  9. #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    +1. It's called being a free-thinker, and thus having the gumption *ultimately* to apply your own judgement criteria to matters, regardless of what 'science says' is right.

    Marco.
    +2 (to Martin's comment, you highlighted). I may be AoS's resident cable sceptic, but I have heard differences which I could identify (but would find hard to decribe) that were distinct, unique and repeatable. The differences were however small, and questionable as to if it constituted an improvement or not (to my ears) and the cables in question cost a fortune.

    And no, I can't explain the differences I heard, but simply because I can't provide any explanation, it would be hypocritical of me to say I didn't hear what I did.

    I can't explain water divining either, but I saw a diviner successfully finding a buried water pipe (I knew the route of the pipe). So should I say what I saw didn't happen, because I can't explain the phenomenon scientifically? I think not.
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  10. #60
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    In my system, I readily hear differences between speaker cables, analogue interconnects and even digital interconnects. I have demonstrated these changes in sound to others and they are plain to hear. Naturally, I use those cables that have the least detrimental effect on the sound (all cables are detrimental, but some are more benign to the reproduced sound than others in their effects).

    I don't suffer from 'expectation bias' (a term that is often thrown in as a subtle slur by the way, just to deride other points of view). I rely on my ears and judgement, which is very good when it comes to sound quality.
    Mr. Tact!

    Main system: MMs/ADCs/Low output MC's/One rare Japanese SUT/One scarce British phono stage/various tonearms/hefty Japanese DD TT and hefty Japanese BD TT and small British BD TT. 4 CD players/2 jitter buster/2 DACs/Valve buffer. TVC stepped attenuator or valve pre-amp or solid state pre-amp. Current dumping power-amp or either of two Class A SS power-amp or Class A EL34 valve monos or big Japanese (part Class A) integrated. Big dual concentric speakers/Smaller dual concentric speakers/Two way British compacts and full range speakers, amongst others. And too much more to list!

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