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  1. #11
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    Good to see it's back, but the price is three times more than it was before.

    Not sure that's justified, given the superficial nature of the improvements stated, and especially considering the added cost involved of modding it up to the required standard, in order to equal that of the Techies some of us already own here.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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  2. #12
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    Looks too much like a DJ turntable to take it too seriously

    So itsorry a no from me as well
    Current setup Thorens TD-160 Mk1 with Denon DL-110 MC Cartridge, Pioneer PD-8700 CD Player, Yamaha AX-592 Amp, Yamaha CDX-810 CD Player, Yamaha KX-480 Cassette Deck, Yamaha TX-492RDS Tuner, Monitor Audio Bronze 5 speakers, Van-Damme Cables throughout.

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Good to see it's back, but the price is three times more than it was before.

    Not sure that's justified, given the superficial nature of the improvements stated, and especially considering the added cost involved of modding it up to the required standard, in order to equal that of the Techies some of us own here.

    Marco.
    if you take into account that the old version was only as cheap as it was due to hundreds of thousands of them being made, and factor in inflation, the price does not look so bad. You could also compare the material value of the Technics to the competiton, most of which are comprised of a wooden box or mdf plinth, and a £40 off-the-shelf motor. And come without an arm.

    As to it looking 'like a DJ deck' beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. I think it is an iconic design personally. Plus to be factually correct it actually 'looks' like a second-tier broadcast deck since that is what the original was intended to be, DJs not having been invented yet when it originally came out (unless you count the Jimmy Saville variety, which isn't the same thing at all).
    Current Lash Up:

    TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > JM Labs Focal Electra 926.

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    There are some very serious DJ's who use the Technics because of its high quality and dependability. It's also a fine deck for using in the home as it's a work of art.

  5. #15
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    i'll stick with my pioneer thanks.
    My System
    John Wood KT88 Amp.
    Paradise Phono Stage
    Sony TTS-8000 Turntable.
    PMAT-1010 MK6 Tonearm.
    Ortofon Cadenza Bronze
    Sony X555ES Cd Player
    Yamaha NS1000m Speakers

  6. #16
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    Been there got the t-shirt. It's a no from me. More than happy with what i have thank you very much.

  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Plus to be factually correct it actually 'looks' like a second-tier broadcast deck since that is what the original was intended to be, DJs not having been invented yet when it originally came out (unless you count the Jimmy Saville variety, which isn't the same thing at all).
    To clarify, disco DJs have been mixing records since the early 70s (maybe even the late 60s in the case of Francis Grasso) and the MK2 was designed with them in mind according to the original product brochure here:
    https://www.vinylengine.com/ve_downl...2_brochure.pdf

    Quote:
    “When Technics introduced the original SL-1200 direct drive turntable several years ago, it made all other turntable drive systems seem antiquated in comparison. The SL-1200 became a strong favorite among audio purists, amateur and professional. It was particularly popular in discos because of its rugged construction, easy handling, high torque and good immunity to feedback.
    The SL-1200MK2 represents the next generation, incorporating numerous improvements over the original. In addition to being quartz-locked direct drive, it permits continuous speed adjustment under quartz control (within a range of ±8%). This feature will be appreciated by disco DJ's who wish to maintain consistent rhythm when changing records. Its starting torque is a high 1.5 kg.cm(1.3 lb.in), with the platter reaching rated speed within 0.7 second from standstill. It also maintains a tighter lock on the selected speed than did the original SL-1200. The SL-1200MK2 should also be virtually feedback-proof because of its special base design. The platter itself is damped on both sides to avoid ringing.”

  8. #18
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    Yes Chris (and Paul), but the original SL-120 (from 1972), upon which the later SL-1200/1210 is based, had no such pitch control, or indeed even a tonearm, and it cost more then than an LP12, which was also introduced in the same year:



    The fact is, the Technics was not originally designed as a "DJ deck" at all, but rather a very high-quality turntable, aimed at discerning audiophiles. I presume you're not saying differently?

    It was only later, when it became the SL-1200, we all know now, that National Panasonic decided to make some concessions to its design that would increase its appeal to the DJ market (where the blurb you've quoted comes from), which had embraced the reliability and solidity of its design, fast-start up times (due to its relatively high-torque motor), and most importantly, superb sound.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    if you take into account that the old version was only as cheap as it was due to hundreds of thousands of them being made, and factor in inflation, the price does not look so bad. You could also compare the material value of the Technics to the competiton, most of which are comprised of a wooden box or mdf plinth, and a £40 off-the-shelf motor. And come without an arm.
    Yes, good point. The problem, however, as you can see here, is that 'old habits die hard', and the uninitiated simply not 'getting' what this T/T is all about.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Floyddroid View Post
    Been there got the t-shirt. It's a no from me. More than happy with what i have thank you very much.
    And yet, I recall that others and you were somewhat flabbergasted at the sound my modded version produced at NEBO, experiencing what seemed then as a seminal moment in your hi-fi experience....?

    What do you have now then, Steve?

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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