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    What number is it please Kevin ?
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    When you think of. Regenerator, you envision a machine that uses incoming electricity to manufacture an entirely new electrical signal at its outputs. I've seen old ones that actually had an electric motor that turned a generator, but it was not built for audio use. What most modern regenerators are is an amp, that is designed to amplify a signal at 50Hz (or 60Hz depending on where you are), so, if the power cord on a regular amp can affect its sound, I.e. It's output, then why could not a cord improve the output of this 50Hz amplifier?

    As I was telling my Italian friend, back when I was a tech at a large company I had a load of battery backup power conditioners. To protect computers located in unprotected areas of the warehouse, etc. and I had a small 4 inch TV in my office I watched at lunch. And the noise from my computer made a lot of static in the picture. So I put a power filter between the computer and the wall, and it made a small difference, I placed a second one behind the TV, and it made a bigger difference. I added two more behind each of those, and the improvements kept coming. I had about 4 units behind each one before I could not detect any improvement at all. My boss came in and wanted to know what the hell have I been doing?

    Now I realize that expensive units made for stereo are probably much more robust than these I was experimenting with, but it does show that more is always better. As long as you do not limit current supply.

    My Italian friend being the editor of a magazine, was saying that he has spoken to a power cord manufacturer who claims the benefits from adding 3 feet of wire on the end of your supply works because of alternating current. Electrons do not travel from the power plant all the way to your stereo, they go in one direction for 1/50th of a second, then reverse and go the other way, so, these electrons moving back and forth in that last few feet are the ones that are actually entering your gear.

    I realize this is still only theory, but I have to say it makes more sense than any other probable reason I've heard put forth. I am planning to do some math and prove exactly how far does an electron travel, and a few other numbers that may help support this theory. Or trash it. Funny that we were just talking about this.

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    Where is Tesla when you need him? He would have got to the bottom of the whole cable malarkey.
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    No need Alpha to do the maths, at the late age of 36 I did three 'A' levels in science to try to catch up a bit on my dire schooling.

    The lecturers pointed out the misconception that the electrons in current travel at or near the speed of light; they do not, it is the electromagnetic pulse which does.

    The electrons themselves travel at only a few mm/sec.

    The real problem with all this is getting hold of new ones - I bet you are all using second hand ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Where is Tesla when you need him? He would have got to the bottom of the whole cable malarkey.
    Ahh he's even had his Name appropriated and applied to Automobiles (Damned good ones though)

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    Thanks Dennis, I've had a few classes in atomic theory and "hole theory", in my schooling too, basically like a hose full of ping pong balls, if you add one in one end, one falls out the other. As you say, giving the effect that electricity moves at the speed of light, but only the effect moves that fast. And yes electrons move a few meters per second, or millimeters, depending on voltage, they do move faster as voltage increases. Many known factors here, I should be able to round up enough data from some Google searches to fill in my equation. Of course if I find that it moved 1 or 2 meters in the allotted time, that would seem like proof! But if it's moving 10 meters, then it would seem to discredit this theory. But actually, it only supports the theory or not. It doesn't prove anything. But, maybe pointing in the right direction.


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    hole theory has a whole different meaning where I did my schooling
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    Yesh, yours probably had hair around it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaGT View Post
    Thanks Dennis, I've had a few classes in atomic theory and "hole theory", in my schooling too, basically like a hose full of ping pong balls, if you add one in one end, one falls out the other. As you say, giving the effect that electricity moves at the speed of light, but only the effect moves that fast. And yes electrons move a few meters per second, or millimeters, depending on voltage, they do move faster as voltage increases. Many known factors here, I should be able to round up enough data from some Google searches to fill in my equation. Of course if I find that it moved 1 or 2 meters in the allotted time, that would seem like proof! But if it's moving 10 meters, then it would seem to discredit this theory. But actually, it only supports the theory or not. It doesn't prove anything. But, maybe pointing in the right direction.
    The 'sums' are relatively straightforward.

    In a good conductor, such as copper, there are about 8.47 1028 conduction electrons per cubic metre. Each electron has a charge of 1.6 10-19 Coulombs.

    So a copper wire of say 1mm in diameter and 1 metre long will contain 6.7 1022 conduction electrons, having a total charge of 10,658 Coulombs. Since a current of 1 Amp corresponds to a charge flow of 1 Coulomb per second, it will take ~10,000 seconds for the total conduction charge in a wire of 1 metre length and 1mm diameter to flow past a given point, that is 0.1mm/second.

    Therefore in one half of a 50Hz cycle (i.e. 10ms) the electrons move 1um in one direction, then in the next half cycle move 1um in the opposite direction.
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    was with you all the way up to straightforward Barry
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