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  1. #11
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    Made a real detectable difference or just the placebo effect

    Without scientific proof I will go with the latter
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    Don't choke on the placebo...

    I was expecting/hoping to send it back - is that negative expectation bias?
    Mr Brook was happy to "amuse me" by sending me a cable.

    The rest is history.
    Kevin

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    Aye a group of us up here all suffered from the placebo effect the day we had a mains cable bake off . Unfortunately we all heard the same thing each time a different cable was put into the system
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    Mains cables make a audible difference - so what's new.

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    Another has come over to the dark side - Welcome
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    As ever with these things, results are variable - but in my household, every member can hear audible differences (not just loudness) when I change from one power cable to the next. Frankly, without my audio-fool power cables, the system is simply not as good, and by some margin.

    While it could be all in my head, I'm not sure it could be in the head of multiple people, who, aside from me, don't even know I have switched cables - they just comment that the sound is 'better' or 'worse' when they notice an obvious difference.

    I have even tried getting somebody to change the cable without me knowing what it is - I have no trouble in identifying 'better' from 'worse' (note, not the cable itself - just better or worse).

    This is an age old argument, and there is probably no resolution until science can prove exactly why these things happen.

    I guess if it is all in the head - well, that is where sound is created, so what the heck!
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    If the socket and plug are 'filtered' then there's no reason it shouldn't sound different, even if it only contains a simple rc filter.

    Of course if a mains cable made a difference between wall and mains regenerator unit then you have to figure your regenerator unit is basically shit.
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    My experience was very similar. I made my own cable, using a 2M length of Furutech power cable, and some First Watt ends. Like you I hoped not to hear a difference. Like you I cannot see for the life of me how it works? I inserted it in my system, behind my preamp. And heard no real difference. But, I put good work and money into the wire, so I kept it in place. A week later I'm playing records and I'm noticing a bit of clarity and air in the top registers. So it got me thinking, could it be that power cord? So I swapped it back for the plain one, and sure enough, the benefits I observed disappeared! I put it back, and it returned.

    It certainly isn't any revelation, while I do hear a difference it certainly isn't any order of magnitude. But, as with any tweak, they are cumulative. It all adds up.

    So don't feel too foolish, it seems to be a "thing" these days, everyone with open mind are hearing it. I am at a complete loss as to why?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sq225917 View Post
    Of course if a mains cable made a difference between wall and mains regenerator unit then you have to figure your regenerator unit is basically shit.
    Why so, Simon? I'm sorry, but that's rather lazy thinking. If I understand it, the mains cable Kevin's bought has more to its design than simply a filter...

    I know you don't rate these things (so we'll have to disagree here), but the design of both Furutech connectors, fitted to the cable, compared with basic 'off the shelf' items, will in my experience have served to increase the integrity of the connection between the regenerator unit and the mains supply.

    You also should consider that if active filtering, contained in the mains cable in question, has been applied 'at source' (at the wall), before the regenerator, then this could be cleaning up the mains/reducing distortion in the mains waveform to a degree sufficient enough to give the regenerator itself an easier task.

    Therefore, I'm not surprised that the cumulative effect of the above was to improve the overall efficiency of the regenerator, and hence why Kevin noted the sonic improvements he's described.

    None of this of course is necessarily factual; it's simply my theory of what may be happening, based on experience in these matters, and when assessing them, desire to think outside the box and look beyond what is simply the obvious.

    Marco.
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    H-E-L-L-O... Is there anyone out there??

    Marco.
    "A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do". - Milan Kundera.

    "Your validity or worth are not defined or determined by the views of others with their own superimposed agendas". - Pharos (on AoS)

    My system:

    Modified Technics SL-1210MK5G/Mike New high-precision bearing & baseplate/Mike New ETP platter/Bruil record weight/Nagaoka GL602 crystal T/T mat. Paul Hynes SR7EHD PSU (plus regulator modules)/DCSXL pure-silver DC lead. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm/'Speedy Steve' custom-made Ebony armboard. Yannis Tome 423.5 Phono Silver-Litz tonearm cable, with Furutech CF-DIN(R) and Eichmann silver Bullet Plugs. Cartridges: Denon DL-S1 in AT MG-10 headshell with AT-6106 Quattro Hybrid lead-wire. Denon DL-103C1 in '103U' headshell with AT-609 silver lead-wire. Vintage Denon DL-103AU in AT-Ti15ANV Titanium Headshell. Shure M55E in Denon PCL-300 headshell with 6N silver lead-wire. Shure original USA SC35C. Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 transport/DAC. Raspberry Pi-3 Model B and IQaudio Pi-DAC+/Paul Hynes SR3DR-05 linear PSU/Williams Audio NAS linear PSU. Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X preamp. Stereo Coffee LDR. Head-amp: Paul Hynes design/SR5 PSU. Also modified Lentek. Tube Distinctions 50W Class A P/P Copper amp with cryo-treated Tung Sol KT150s. Speakers: 'Lockwood Majors', using 15" Tannoy Monitor Golds, modified with bespoke crossovers. Also Celestion Ditton 15XRs. Stands: Mana Acoustics (non-magnetic stainless steel 'clones’). Hi-Fi Racks Podium T/T wall shelf. Sony ST-5055L tuner. Cables: Furukawa EE/F-S 2mm & 2.6mm solid-core mains leads, fitted with Furutech FI-50 IECs and FI-1363Rs. Stereo interconnects: Sommer Carbokab 225 (with silver-plated MS Audio non-metallic POM RCAs). Speaker cable: VDH 'The Wind' Hybrid II. Digital coaxial cable: 1m Trompeter Electronics Triax TRC-75-2, with MS Audio ‘Starline' silver-plated RCAs. Mains block: Mark Grant 6-way, modded with Furutech FP-1363R sockets and Furukawa cable. Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW 16.5 record cleaner.

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