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  1. #11
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    Made a real detectable difference or just the placebo effect

    Without scientific proof I will go with the latter
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    Don't choke on the placebo...

    I was expecting/hoping to send it back - is that negative expectation bias?
    Mr Brook was happy to "amuse me" by sending me a cable.

    The rest is history.
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    Aye a group of us up here all suffered from the placebo effect the day we had a mains cable bake off . Unfortunately we all heard the same thing each time a different cable was put into the system
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    Mains cables make a audible difference - so what's new.

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    As ever with these things, results are variable - but in my household, every member can hear audible differences (not just loudness) when I change from one power cable to the next. Frankly, without my audio-fool power cables, the system is simply not as good, and by some margin.

    While it could be all in my head, I'm not sure it could be in the head of multiple people, who, aside from me, don't even know I have switched cables - they just comment that the sound is 'better' or 'worse' when they notice an obvious difference.

    I have even tried getting somebody to change the cable without me knowing what it is - I have no trouble in identifying 'better' from 'worse' (note, not the cable itself - just better or worse).

    This is an age old argument, and there is probably no resolution until science can prove exactly why these things happen.

    I guess if it is all in the head - well, that is where sound is created, so what the heck!
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    If the socket and plug are 'filtered' then there's no reason it shouldn't sound different, even if it only contains a simple rc filter.

    Of course if a mains cable made a difference between wall and mains regenerator unit then you have to figure your regenerator unit is basically shit.
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    My experience was very similar. I made my own cable, using a 2M length of Furutech power cable, and some First Watt ends. Like you I hoped not to hear a difference. Like you I cannot see for the life of me how it works? I inserted it in my system, behind my preamp. And heard no real difference. But, I put good work and money into the wire, so I kept it in place. A week later I'm playing records and I'm noticing a bit of clarity and air in the top registers. So it got me thinking, could it be that power cord? So I swapped it back for the plain one, and sure enough, the benefits I observed disappeared! I put it back, and it returned.

    It certainly isn't any revelation, while I do hear a difference it certainly isn't any order of magnitude. But, as with any tweak, they are cumulative. It all adds up.

    So don't feel too foolish, it seems to be a "thing" these days, everyone with open mind are hearing it. I am at a complete loss as to why?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sq225917 View Post
    Of course if a mains cable made a difference between wall and mains regenerator unit then you have to figure your regenerator unit is basically shit.
    Why so, Simon? I'm sorry, but that's rather lazy thinking. If I understand it, the mains cable Kevin's bought has more to its design than simply a filter...

    I know you don't rate these things (so we'll have to disagree here), but the design of both Furutech connectors, fitted to the cable, compared with basic 'off the shelf' items, will in my experience have served to increase the integrity of the connection between the regenerator unit and the mains supply.

    You also should consider that if active filtering, contained in the mains cable in question, has been applied 'at source' (at the wall), before the regenerator, then this could be cleaning up the mains/reducing distortion in the mains waveform to a degree sufficient enough to give the regenerator itself an easier task.

    Therefore, I'm not surprised that the cumulative effect of the above was to improve the overall efficiency of the regenerator, and hence why Kevin noted the sonic improvements he's described.

    None of this of course is necessarily factual; it's simply my theory of what may be happening, based on experience in these matters, and when assessing them, desire to think outside the box and look beyond what is simply the obvious.

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    H-E-L-L-O... Is there anyone out there??

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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