Terror attack in London

[Macca]

About 20 years ago, except they came from much closer to home, just across the Irish Sea. If the current madness of our political isolation continues, they'll be back very soon.

They were not suicide bombers though. In fact when a hard line was finally taken and the army just started shooting the wankers on sight they lost all their taste for it.

[Spectral Morn]

About 20 years ago, except they came from much closer to home, just across the Irish Sea. If the current madness of our political isolation continues, they'll be back very soon.

There have never been deliberate Irish suicide bombers, nor was the motivation religious, it was based on territory, socialism and seeking to remove an occupying force. The religious aspect of the Irish problem is a red herring, and mentioning it with respect shows a lack of knowledge about the subject.

Anyway this isn't about Ireland, but about what happened in London yesterday.

[Arkless Electronics]

A newspaper stated that some Muslim doctor is saying we are profiling him because he has been checked three times while getting on an airplane. The following is a letter from a pilot. This well - spoken man, who is a pilot with American Airlines, says what is in his heart, beautifully.





YOU WORRY ME!

By Captain John Maniscalco, American Airlines Pilot



I've been trying to say this since 911, but you worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I love, that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me.



I notice you because I can't help it anymore. People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now.



I don't fully understand their grievances and hate, but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.



On September 11, ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally stabbed to death others, hacking their necks, over and over, with box cutters. They took control of those planes and crashed them into buildings, killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and children's mothers.



The Palestinians celebrated, the Iraqis were overjoyed as was most of the Arab world. So, I notice you now. I don't want to be worried.

I don't want to be consumed by the same rage, hate and prejudice that has destroyed the soul of these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational American, trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab/Muslim terrorist.



How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim Americans and the Arab/Muslim terrorists in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter MORE of the same good neighbors and children?



The events of September 11 changed the answer.. It is not MY responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL of its different citizens, with all of its faults. It is time for every Arab/Muslim in this country to determine it for me.



I want to know, I DEMAND to know and I have a right to know, whether or not you love America ..... Do you pledge allegiance to its flag? Do you proudly display it in front of your house, or on your car? Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation; that He will protect it and let it prosper? Or do you pray that Allah will destroy it in one of your Jihads? Are you thankful for the freedom that this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots, who have through our history, given their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by also paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America?? If this is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it.



Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions YOU are taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States of America. Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the innocent, because I worry about who you regard as innocent. No more benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks, because I worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more sympathy; I am interested only in action. What will you do for America - our great country - at this time of continuing crisis, at this time of war?



I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I want to hear you chanting 'Allah Bless America'. I want to see young Arab/Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of money, time and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to our returning wounded and to this nation as a whole.



The FBI has had a long list of people they've wanted to interact with regarding the threats that they believe to be ongoing. Many of these people live and socialize right now in Muslim communities. You know them. You know where they are. Give the FBI a heads up as to where they may be. Better yet, hand them over to us, NOW! But I have seen little even approaching this sort of action. Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted armed security guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals.



The very few Arab/Muslim representatives, like CARE, that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that the United States apologize and take responsibility for actions defending our own people. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing 'leaders' like the late Khadafi, the late Hussein, Farrakhan, and the late Arafat.



If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people, then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in the Koran are good, pure, and true, when your 'leaders' ARE teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance? It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if huge numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been demonstrated to us over and over again. A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide. A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around the world.



A form whose members (some as young as five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the air. A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms against the great United States of America, the country of their birth. A form whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in the name of Islam.



We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us -- our rights under the greatest constitution in the world. I want to know where every Arab Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of this country to DEMAND it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is protecting you and your family.



I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American...... But there can be no grey areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance, and it is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand. Until then, "YOU WORRY ME!"



CANADIAN COMMENTS:



I totally agree with this sentiment. I hope you will forget all about the 'political correctness' mandate we've had rammed down our throats by so many on the left, and see if this doesn't ring true in your heart and mind. For Canada, with all the multiculturalism we've been told is so important....why should we not, as Canadians, expect that the millions of new people immigrating to our country will show their love for our country, their allegiance to our country, their willingness to obey the laws of our country, and acceptance that we are a Christian country? Just because they are able to enjoy exercising their own religion, they should NOT expect us to be ashamed of ours. They knew Canada was a Christian country when they came here. Why are we erasing Christianity because immigrants who are unwilling to adopt our way of life expect us to? There is just too much insanity in the world, and we have to start taking a stand.



I hope you will forward this, so that others will feel they are not alone if they are starting to feel the same.



BRITISH COMMENTS: At last a clear non-racist example of the concerns that the vast majority of our Nations population probably share. The pilot's letter encapsulates all that is fair and just about national pride and protection of one's national culture. I fear it may be too late here in UK, BUT we too want our country back in the form that attracted all these different cultures to come here in the first place!! In all our conversations with a wide range of friends and acquaintances we have not met one that disagrees with our own views.



If only we all had the courage of our convictions to pass this on, it is a statement that should be accepted as the heart-felt feelings of someone with honest commendable national pride.



Not all Muslims are terrorists but almost all terrorists to date have been Muslims. Stand up and be counted!



Australian Comment: Best email I have had in years it needs to be in every paper every day until we get some answers. We need all be very concerned, note the pattern in Australia is the same for the other countries above. Where are the believers of Islam in our beloved country standing up and being counted in all these issues?



I have not seen one!



THIS IS TOO GOOD TO JUST READ AND DELETE! LET'S SATURATE NEW ZEALAND, AUSTRALIA, UK, EUROPE, USA, CANADA AND THE REST OF THE FREE WORLD WITH THIS ONE! SEND IT!

I utterly condemn the above. It should be deleted. This is basically incitement of racial/religious hatred and even adds the squalor of patriotism and nationalism to the incendiary mix. It is exactly the mantra of sub human scum like Trump and Farage and the rest of the far right. It is precisely this sort of xenophobia that leads to "brave" white blokes spitting on a lone Muslim women who's just sitting on a bus minding her own business etc.

All religion is evil, even Buddhists have been involved in massacres in recent years. Ban the lot I say, but if not then lets not single out members of one religion for hatred. For every one extremist there are millions of law abiding Muslims just going about their lives.

I don't see calls to ban/deport/vilify Catholics after a tiny proportion of them committed murders in the name of the IRA... or are they OK 'cos they're white, speak English and are culturally a part of something some would class as "us" rather than "them"?

People of evil intent have used the "god told me to do it" excuse for centuries and with many different brands of god and no doubt so long as people are of such medieval mind set as to believe in sky wizards of various forms it will continue unfortunately.

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" Gandhi.

[farflungstar]

I utterly condemn the above. It should be deleted. This is basically incitement of racial/religious hatred and even adds the squalor of patriotism and nationalism to the incendiary mix. It is exactly the mantra of sub human scum like Trump and Farage and the rest of the far right. It is precisely this sort of xenophobia that leads to "brave" white blokes spitting on a lone Muslim women who's just sitting on a bus minding her own business etc.

All religion is evil, even Buddhists have been involved in massacres in recent years. Ban the lot I say, but if not then lets not single out members of one religion for hatred. For every one extremist there are millions of law abiding Muslims just going about their lives.

I don't see calls to ban/deport/vilify Catholics after a tiny proportion of them committed murders in the name of the IRA... or are they OK 'cos they're white, speak English and are culturally a part of something some would class as "us" rather than "them"?

People of evil intent have used the "god told me to do it" excuse for centuries and with many different brands of god and no doubt so long as people are of such medieval mind set as to believe in sky wizards of various forms it will continue unfortunately.

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" Gandhi.

+1

[Andy831]

All religion is evil.

/\ This +1

[farflungstar]

I condemn without question any form of violence against man or animal. BUT we must remember that in the eyes of these people WE are the terrorists - we bomb them, murder their mothers and sons - and that a tiny proportion of them 'fight back' is pretty normal in that context. (We're doing it in Yemen right now).

What we are seeing is a direct result of our own foreign policy/lies and immorality.

Religion (ridiculous) isn't the reason.... Power based in the West and it's political agenda is the reason.

Here's a little truth as an example..

Libya. I have relatives there. Gaddafi was the darling of the US for a long time. In Libya electricity was free. Every person had a home. Gaddafi refused to house his own father until every other citizen had a home. Water was free. Petrol was 10 cents a gallon. Women could go to university. It was packed with British and Americans (even when in the press sanctions were put on the country and all business denied). It was sitting on trillions of dollars worth of oil.

And then CIA operatives (filmed) suddenly began training 'rebels' in the farce that was the Arab spring. Gaddafi had fallen from favour and had to go. And so he did.

And within 2 fucking days there was a World Bank on the main Street in Tripoli. And suddenly everyone had to pay for everything.

How are my relatives living now...
In their cellars. Living in fear of the Islamist fanatics that now rule because of the vacuum of power. They are in a living hell that the press don't speak about.

Regime change at the whim of American/British/Bankers/politicians. With zero regard for the lives of others because they're brown and far away. History repeating... And our arms industries laughing all the way to the bank.

Terrorism is wrong. Period. But what we face is nothing compared to the daily toll of death, rape and fear in those countries we have meddled in. Nothing.

Yes they are evil - but they are not alone - it's time we in the West looked in the mirror....

[Firebottle]

I'm sad to say that what you say is true. It's not so much religion it's power. It's not so much power it's who has control of the oil.

[Arkless Electronics]

I condemn without question any form of violence against man or animal. BUT we must remember that in the eyes of these people WE are the terrorists - we bomb them, murder their mothers and sons - and that a tiny proportion of them 'fight back' is pretty normal in that context. (We're doing it in Yemen right now).

What we are seeing is a direct result of our own foreign policy/lies and immorality.

Religion (ridiculous) isn't the reason.... Power based in the West and it's political agenda is the reason.

Here's a little truth as an example..

Libya. I have relatives there. Gaddafi was the darling of the US for a long time. In Libya electricity was free. Every person had a home. Gaddafi refused to house his own father until every other citizen had a home. Water was free. Petrol was 10 cents a gallon. Women could go to university. It was packed with British and Americans (even when in the press sanctions were put on the country and all business denied). It was sitting on trillions of dollars worth of oil.

And then CIA operatives (filmed) suddenly began training 'rebels' in the farce that was the Arab spring. Gaddafi had fallen from favour and had to go. And so he did.

And within 2 fucking days there was a World Bank on the main Street in Tripoli. And suddenly everyone had to pay for everything.

How are my relatives living now...
In their cellars. Living in fear of the Islamist fanatics that now rule because of the vacuum of power. They are in a living hell that the press don't speak about.

Regime change at the whim of American/British/Bankers/politicians. With zero regard for the lives of others because they're brown and far away. History repeating... And our arms industries laughing all the way to the bank.

Terrorism is wrong. Period. But what we face is nothing compared to the daily toll of death, rape and fear in those countries we have meddled in. Nothing.

Yes they are evil - but they are not alone - it's time we in the West looked in the mirror....

+1 well said.

Number of people killed in the UK by Islamist terrorists since records began? 65

Number of civilians in Islamic countries killed by the West in our illegal wars for oil? Apparently not important enough to count... but certainly in the hundreds of thousands. Now we're reaping the whirlwind.

The evil which is the western industrial-military-capitalist complex is probably the greatest evil the world has ever seen, rivalled only by Nazi Germany (Stalin's Russia and Mao's China didn't really export the evil that befell their own people).

It's also immensely insidious in its control of all media and brainwashing of "Joe Public". Even after destroying whole industries and communities and after exporting "our" jobs to China, Taiwan etc, wherever they can feed their greed for money, "they" are still respected by "Mondeo Man" and have even managed to turn his hatred towards anyone seen as "others", "outsiders" whilst seemingly escaping all blame themselves!

"Bloody foreigners/immigrants coming over 'ere taking our jobs"... The "bloody foreigners" are victims just the same as we are and victims of the same master criminal, Mammon. In Poland, Lithuania, Hungary etc etc mines, steel works and ship yards have also been shut down leaving people having to travel further, ie to here, to have any chance of a job.

The evil bastards responsible for all this are the ones swanning about the Med on £200,000,000 yachts, who "buy" governments and control the propaganda spewed forth by the press and the TV... They are the bosses of hedge funds, CEO's of global corporations, people like Murdoch and Trump.. FFS Trump even bought his way to being the so called president of the worlds richest and most powerful country! And yet due to their propaganda Joe Public hates/blames the Polish plumber who is in the same boat as he is!

[Bigman80]

I utterly condemn the above. It should be deleted. This is basically incitement of racial/religious hatred and even adds the squalor of patriotism and nationalism to the incendiary mix. It is exactly the mantra of sub human scum like Trump and Farage and the rest of the far right. It is precisely this sort of xenophobia that leads to "brave" white blokes spitting on a lone Muslim women who's just sitting on a bus minding her own business etc.

All religion is evil, even Buddhists have been involved in massacres in recent years. Ban the lot I say, but if not then lets not single out members of one religion for hatred. For every one extremist there are millions of law abiding Muslims just going about their lives.

I don't see calls to ban/deport/vilify Catholics after a tiny proportion of them committed murders in the name of the IRA... or are they OK 'cos they're white, speak English and are culturally a part of something some would class as "us" rather than "them"?

People of evil intent have used the "god told me to do it" excuse for centuries and with many different brands of god and no doubt so long as people are of such medieval mind set as to believe in sky wizards of various forms it will continue unfortunately.

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" Gandhi.

By banning all religions you are essentially becoming the problem youre fighting against.

We should never have been in Iraq. Simple. It's not our place to intervene in the affairs of other countries. The world Police (USA) Led us down a the garden path. Removing Saddam Hussein caused the uprising to ISIS etc.



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[Haselsh1]

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