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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    But they may not be in a room. Have any of you guys seen a recording studio or know how one works? They usually have people in separate booths all in headphones playing their individual parts which are then manipulated via a large mixing console. You are very rarely hearing a band playing in their room!
    I did specifically state a 'purist' recording, just to save anyone having to make that point.

    In any case all the studios I have been in did seem to comprise of rooms, I suppose there may be an outdoor studio somewhere (California?)but I doubt it. Even if you are making a typical multi-track recording you will still have a number of acoustic instruments, drums, vocal, piano, acoustic guitars, brass, woodwind, all of which will need to be recorded in a room whose acoustic you will hear on playback. Do you want the piano on Sympathy For The Devil to be in the acoustic it was recorded in or sound like it is in your living room? One is high fidelity, the other isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebottle View Post
    Ah we've found your secret Marco .........

    You're steam powered, that must be really retro.



    With me, it's more like fart gas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I did specifically state a 'purist' recording, just to save anyone having to make that point.

    In any case all the studios I have been in did seem to comprise of rooms, I suppose there may be an outdoor studio somewhere (California?)but I doubt it. Even if you are making a typical multi-track recording you will still have a number of acoustic instruments, drums, vocal, piano, acoustic guitars, brass, woodwind, all of which will need to be recorded in a room whose acoustic you will hear on playback. Do you want the piano on Sympathy For The Devil to be in the acoustic it was recorded in or sound like it is in your living room? One is high fidelity, the other isn't.
    But the acoustic it was recorded in may have been manipulated to sound different - reverb, acoustic effects, damping etc?
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    I want it *so* real I can smell the armpits of the technicians...

    Marco.
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    Yes, loads of things could have been done to it, doesn't change my basic point which is that if it wasn't recorded in your living room then it shouldn't sound like it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I want it *so* real I can smell the armpits of the technicians...

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    You only have to listen to George Michael's 'Jesus to a Child' and the swathes of digital reverb all over the damn vocals to realise you're probably not going to get 'realistic' these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I want it *so* real I can smell the armpits of the technicians...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haselsh1 View Post
    You only have to listen to George Michael's 'Jesus to a Child' and the swathes of digital reverb all over the damn vocals to realise you're probably not going to get 'realistic' these days.
    'Realistic' as regards to the performance doesn't matter to us. We are not recording artists or engineers. All we need to worry about as hi-fi enthusiasts is being faithful to the recording. If the recording has swathes of digital reverb then the system should reproduce the swathes of digital reverb.
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    Wow - Macca's on a roll these last couple of days!!
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