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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I want to be transported to the venue where the recording was made and hear them there.
    Could be an expensive taxi fare!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Lol... Other than the issue of semantics, I wasn't referring to you!!

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    Perhaps weirdly I prefer CD to vinyl. I do think it is much easier to get a non-fatiguing sound from LP, warts and all, but when you get digital right, it wins for me. Lower noise, better channel separation, more dynamic range, better slam and bass, but as mentioned difficult to get the beguiling dynamic contrast, 3D soundstage, and natural midrange / top end / harmonics of a good record player.

    ...the bigger issue IMHO is down to mastering, especially digital remasters. They often sound far too "hot" and fizzy (compressed) on CD, which gives the LP an unfair advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Ah, damn, I thought I had you there.
    Haha - been way too long arguing on forums to get caught out like that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yomanze View Post
    Perhaps weirdly I prefer CD to vinyl. I do think it is much easier to get a non-fatiguing sound from LP, warts and all, but when you get digital right, it wins for me. Lower noise, better channel separation, more dynamic range, better slam and bass, but as mentioned difficult to get the beguiling dynamic contrast, 3D soundstage, and natural midrange / top end / harmonics of a good record player.

    ...the bigger issue IMHO is down to mastering, especially digital remasters. They often sound far too "hot" and fizzy (compressed) on CD, which gives the LP an unfair advantage.
    Here is an interesting 'experiment' in which a select group of testers were subjected to the blindfold test to ascertain which digital format is preferred -- lossless or lossy. Surprisingly, lossy format won:

    http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/02...lind-test.html
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    Of the material I have in both formats, which sounds best depends on the mastering I think. Both can sound fantastic, but in general a high quality vinyl replay system costs more than a similar quality cd replay system. However,a Lenco L70 I recently bought for chf70 and threw a dl-110 into is challenging even this statement currently

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    Vinyl is technically​ worse. Therefore it sounds better.

    Just taking the piss a bit.

    However, there is a mass of truth in that piss taking statement.

    Sound quality isn't related to technical prowess in all circumstances by any means. Some tracks love complementary distortion. Only problem is the same distortion traits won't work across the board.

    I don't use technically accurate digital because I like messing around with distortion injection via valve rolling.

    Choose your poison based on what you have learned to like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User211 View Post
    Vinyl is technically​ worse. Therefore it sounds better.

    Just taking the piss a bit.

    However, there is a mass of truth in that piss taking statement.

    Sound quality isn't related to technical prowess in all circumstances by any means. Some tracks love complementary distortion. Only problem is the same distortion traits won't work across the board.

    I don't use technically accurate digital because I like messing around with distortion injection via valve rolling.

    Choose your poison based on what you have learned to like.
    In fact, choose your distortion. I like the distortion inherent in valves and vinyl even though I know they are technically wrong. Music played through this medium stimulates my soul and heart and my brain forgets everything else.
    When I listen to digital in its purest form I find it stimulates my brain but leaves my soul cold.
    We live in a distorted world and we somehow feel more comfortable with this than cold clinical technically perfect digital.
    I would rather wonder through the magic mushroom forest of valve induced euphoria rather than the cold steel city of digital perfection.

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    Fuck off Jim how much is it and can you get me some?

    Just winding up the politicians you understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by User211 View Post
    Fuck off Jim how much is it and can you get me some?

    Just winding up the politicians you understand
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