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    Yesh, but it would appear that some of us can get away with 'faffing' a little less than others...

    These days, my T/T just sits there and plays music!

    Admit it, darling, you gave up T/Ts because you were crap at setting them up, and didn't really know how to get the best out of them, so thought: 'Fuck this, I'm getting nowhere', so cut your losses and spent the money saved on ducks!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I also do to an extent. Remember though the effect it had on your T/T, when I came down and, erm [sorry], set it up properly for you, when beforehand you were happy it was 'fine'....?

    Marco.
    I didn't have particularly high expectations of it, that's true. It is 'only' a stock SL1200 after all. I'm just not prepared to spend the money required to get it to the standard that I want because I hardly ever use it, mainly out of laziness but also because I have none of the problems with digital that beset other folks.

    I could happily spend 12 hours listening to CDs on my system, no harshness, no fatigue, but you can still hear right into the recording. What more do you want?

    Maybe when I retire I'll have time to get back into the whole vinyl thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I could happily spend 12 hours listening to CDs on my system, no harshness, no fatigue, but you can still hear right into the recording. What more do you want?
    Same here, and indeed have being doing, as I've been posting here today. The steaming system has been constantly playing a variety of music since 9.30am, and still is now, as I'm typing!

    Maybe when I retire I'll have time to get back into the whole vinyl thing.
    There's not really a major "thing" to get into. The most important consideration is knowing what you want from vinyl and *how* to achieve it. Once that's done, you just buy the bits you need, set it all up and enjoy!

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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

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    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

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    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Trouble is, folks like easy 'ready-made solutions', where you don't have to work too much
    Well, yeah. If I wanted to work, I'd get a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Admit it, darling, you gave up T/Ts because you were crap and setting them up, and didn't really know how to get the best out of them, so thought: 'Fuck this, I'm getting nowhere', so cut your losses and spent the money saved on ducks!



    Marco.
    Ducks are always money well spent.

    As for setting up turntables, I'd not go near a Linn, for a variety of reasons, including the ongoing setup ritual - virgins are so hard to come by these days , and I had a Michell Gyro which was a right pain in the fundament to set up - cor, the hours I spent getting the fooking platter to bounce properly .
    I had a Voyd Point 5 with a silver wired SME V - probably the best tt I have owned. Very nice machine and little in the way of setup as well. But noise issues with the LPs were still a pain in the arse for a classical music lover like me. I had a pukka Moth record cleaner, but what a pallaver! It really pissed me off.

    When digital came of age about 20 years ago I pretty much gave up on vinyl with a huge sigh of relief.
    As I get older, I really cannot be arsed with all the vinyl faff (including record cleaning) when digital sounds great and is far nearer plug & play and has no noise issues.

    The streaming revolution set the seal on the death of vinyl for me, there is just so much music to explore in an instantly available form.
    LPs - knock yerself out if you want, I am no longer interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haselsh1 View Post
    But again, if your turntable and CD sources are that close why bother with both...?
    Because I have a lot of American Blues, Jazz and R&B on record which are not available on CD. Likewise, I have more recent recordings which are only available on CD and unavailable on LP. And if they were, I baulk at paying £25 - £35 for a modern vinyl version (regardless of it being a 'super-cut', 45 rpm, half speed master, DMM, direct cut or whatever.)
    Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Because I have a lot of American Blues, Jazz and R&B on record which are not available on CD. Likewise, I have more recent recordings which are only available on CD and unavailable on LP. And if they were, I baulk at paying £25 - £35 for a modern vinyl version (regardless of it being a 'super-cut', 45 rpm, half speed master, DMM, direct cut or whatever.)
    There are some decent cds of blues but the good ones were often small print numbers relatively. Ive a few that are out of print now and are now fairly valuable, which is a rarity for cds.
    Original vinyl is the way to listen to that genre though without doubt. It sounds so right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Trouble is, folks like easy 'ready-made solutions', where you don't have to work too much

    Digital is a bit like that....

    [Runs for cover]



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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Because I have a lot of American Blues, Jazz and R&B on record which are not available on CD. Likewise, I have more recent recordings which are only available on CD and unavailable on LP. And if they were, I baulk at paying £25 - £35 for a modern vinyl version (regardless of it being a 'super-cut', 45 rpm, half speed master, DMM, direct cut or whatever.)
    Barry I so agree regarding the pricing of modern vinyl. The record companies made their money forty years ago and now they want it all over again. A case for me recently, Rogers Waters 'Amused to Death'. Thirty six quid on vinyl...! Yes, I bought it, yes it was stunning compared to the original 1980-something recording. Let's frisk all of the young uns like we did the old uns.

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