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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    And it is a 'deliberate' choice, coloured sources are chosen because they are preferred.
    They don't need to be accurate, just preferred.
    I'm sure it is for some, but I can assure you, that's not why I own a turntable or play records.

    And in my experience, even high cost cartridges differ markedly in sound - they can't all be correct! Cartridge colourations abound at all price levels.
    Absolutely, and no-one's saying that they're all "correct".

    However, the level of 'correctness' heard varies considerably, depending on how well set-up and partnered they've been (which in reality has a HUGE bearing on the sound of any cartridge), and also in terms of the tonearm chosen and phono stage.

    I could demonstrate the same cartridge in two identical systems, and deliberately skew it so that in one you wouldn't think you were listening to the same cartridge!

    Also, at the end of the day, it all goes through the most coloured sounding thing of all, the speakers, the distortions in which make those in cartridges pale into insignificance.

    How flat do your MBLs measure?

    Oh, and I won't even mention the graphic equalisers you love!!

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    Marco, please do not misunderstand, I love all forms of music except: Opera, 50's R&R and Country. Those I just cannot get on with. Aggressive rock music I am OK with and love the latest Royal Blood CD which to me is aggressive rock. Note though, I said CD. My system is tailored a specific way and because of that I do not like playing certain music on vinyl. I just think that certain things complement certain things and I am very aware of my system's traits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haselsh1 View Post
    Marco, please do not misunderstand, I love all forms of music except: Opera, 50's R&R and Country. Those I just cannot get on with. Aggressive rock music I am OK with and love the latest Royal Blood CD which to me is aggressive rock. Note though, I said CD. My system is tailored a specific way and because of that I do not like playing certain music on vinyl. I just think that certain things complement certain things and I am very aware of my system's traits.
    Ok, no worries. Can't argue with that

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Yup, that pretty much is my view with digital being in the ascendant.

    Unless you deliberately wish to introduce colourations, which LP playback hardware options are more than capable of delivering, far more so than digital.



    Ah, yes, so that'll be it then! Your turntable is a colouration machine.

    Which is fine if that's what you want.
    It is indeed fine and it is what I accept. What I want may be something totally different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Actually, I've had some pretty nifty tt systems in my time.

    And it is a 'deliberate' choice, coloured sources are chosen because they are preferred.
    They don't need to be accurate, just preferred.

    And in my experience, even high cost cartridges differ markedly in sound - they can't all be correct! Cartridge colourations abound at all price levels.
    The same goes for turntables and arms.
    I agree but so do DAC's differ widely and they too can't all be correct either.

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    I bet those MBLs have lower distortion than a cartridge. Speaker distortion is mainly in the bass anyway, we are not that sensitive to bass distortion.

    Otherwise folks, Marco is correct, you can get your TT and digital to do very similar things, the mistake is to assume it is all about the quality of the sources and that the rest of the system isn't relevant to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I bet those MBLs have lower distortion than a cartridge. Speaker distortion is mainly in the bass anyway, we are not that sensitive to bass distortion.

    Otherwise folks, Marco is correct, you can get your TT and digital to do very similar things, the mistake is to assume it is all about the quality of the sources and that the rest of the system isn't relevant to this.
    But again, if your turntable and CD sources are that close why bother with both...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haselsh1 View Post
    I agree but so do DAC's differ widely and they too can't all be correct either.
    That's because a lot of DACS are tuned to give a certain presentation, because that is what folk want nowadays. Very few people are chasing hi-fidelity it would seem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    That's because a lot of DACS are tuned to give a certain presentation, because that is what folk want nowadays. Very few people are chasing hi-fidelity it would seem.
    So that must also be true of cartridges...?

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