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    Quote Originally Posted by Jac Hawk View Post
    What an absolutely pointless thread
    Isn't it just grand when people go out of their way and call in just to let you know they don't want to talk?
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    new cd.....lots of years left.

    new vinyl.....unless someone or some corporation starts making new cutting heads...not many years left.

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    vinyl will never die. they are actively making new cutting presses all the time.
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    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumday View Post
    new cd.....lots of years left.
    That's not going to be the case, Nigel, if folks stop buying them, as more and more shun digital music, stored on a physical format, and replace it with streaming. Also, ask yourself what's being produced now in larger quantities: separates CD players or turntables?

    Cars don't even have CD players in them now, as they're considered by manufacturers as obsolete - and when that happens in the hugely influential commercial market, you know that the writing is on the wall for CD...

    The future is definitely streaming, along with vinyl, for however long it can continue to be produced. And for me, there's plenty of life in the old dog yet!

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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

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    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    vinyl will never die. they are actively making ne cutting presses all the time.
    I am hoping that 3D printing technology will advance to the point where we could print the exact replica of any LP in our collection, the same way we can today burn the exact replica of a CD.
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    i wouldnt hold my breath
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    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


    ***SMILE, BE HAPPY***

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    To me,

    LP is like riding an old school Harley Davidson, and

    CD is like riding a Ducati sport bike.

    I can ride either up an old curvy mountain road, full of twists and turns, and can enjoy the strong points of either! But the old Harley has torque, it pulls slow and strong, and has that wonderful exhaust note that I love so much, it's big and comfortable. And a lot of fun!

    The Ducati is fast! It eats up the turns so easily! It picks up speed like wild! And the balance and power are contagious. To feel it down in those tight turns just pulling you into the next straight, is exhilarating!

    Perhaps that's not exactly how I feel about Record and CD's, but it's similar. When I play a CD I can marvel at the performance! Such bass! Extended frequencies, jet black backgrounds, but with records its somehow lively, fun even! I feel that emotional connection when it sounds so right, like they exhaust note on the Harley, just brings a smile to my face!

    About what magic was saying, it is true that much of the analog world is not being digitally catalogued, so much of my youth is not available today, not just music, but literature and video. The Little Rascals was deemed "Racist" by one man, and now they are gone, kids today have no idea who they were. Old cartoons that were also deemed radical or racist have been shuffled away, never to be seen again. Some of it was racist, but a lot wasn't. Even if it was, should we erase history? Rewrite it to be less offensive? Which is what is happening right now where I live. I recall old comic books that were somewhat sexual in content, I've searched on them and there is nothing, no sign they ever existed. And even present day stuff, during our recent election for president, any Google searches for info on suspicious deaths surrounding the Clinton Foundation were blocked. Of course this is outside of this discussion about the topic at hand, just wanted to add to what magic was saying.

    Concerning digital copies of old vinyl, it is true that any vinyl record that did not have a certain sales record was not made into a CD, which counts for a lot of music. Especially classical. And CD sales have plummeted in recent times, way back 7 years ago I heard that CD sales had dropped from a high of 13 billion per year back in the 90's to less than 3 billion. 7 years later, what is that number today? Once it drops before a certain level, record companies will drop them all together, except for a few Audiophile labels that will buy the old machines and sell obscure jazz and classical titles, much like the LP market did for many years before the "resurgence" , the recording companies are very keen on the idea of them owning all the music, and you can only rent it from them, no hard copy to own for you to copy and use as you see fit. Streaming is the future, but they can never clean up the several hundred billion copies of records and CDs in the private sector, a hundred years from now eBay will still be selling used records and CD's.

    One thing I loved about the music written before the CD was invented, was the theme album. Aqualung, 2112, The Wall! And a thousand others, bands were more creative, they made the best of the medium, but today, the ability to jump around, play only the songs you like, the theme album is a thing of the past, the medium has influenced the artist. Perhaps there are exceptions, but as a whole, it seems to hold true. I will aways be stuck in the 70's.


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    Hi Shaun,

    Fancy having a go at this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Haselsh1 View Post
    I cannot say that one sounds better than the other, they both sound quite different to each other.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marco
    Quite different to each other, in what way, Shaun?


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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Top flight vinyl for me is like the Flying Scotsman Express speeding through Berwick on route to Edinburgh pulled by a Mallard Class locomotive. The record spinning equipment is so interesting! My dream deck would be the Kronus. I would kit it out with the finest tone arm and cartridge and I would smile to myself as I tightened the record clamp down on my black stuff at all those minions out there with their LP 12's and Girodecks and Regas who couldn't get anywhere close to my superior set up
    Digital, emm, not as interesting is it? Maybe driving a Tesla Model S up the A9 perhaps? Or a ride on the TGV through the French countryside maybe.
    Not so easy to pick a dream system either. CD player, Streamer maybe? What to pick; nothing stands out. All a bit bland compared to the Kronus. Just not as interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dauntless View Post
    Top flight vinyl for me is like the Flying Scotsman Express speeding through Berwick on route to Edinburgh pulled by a Mallard Class locomotive. The record spinning equipment is so interesting! My dream deck would be the Kronus. I would kit it out with the finest tone arm and cartridge and I would smile to myself as I tightened the record clamp down on my black stuff at all those minions out there with their LP 12's and Girodecks and Regas who couldn't get anywhere close to my superior set up
    Digital, emm, not as interesting is it? Maybe driving a Tesla Model S up the A9 perhaps? Or a ride on the TGV through the French countryside maybe.
    Not so easy to pick a dream system either. CD player, Streamer maybe? What to pick; nothing stands out. All a bit bland compared to the Kronus. Just not as interesting.
    nice and Pacific
    Regards,
    Grant .... ؠ ......Don't be such a big girl's blouse

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply-doesn't-work
    .... ..... ...... ...... ................... ..... ..... ..... ..... .....
    FIIO K7 BT, M11 PLUS, BTR7, KA5 - OPPO BDP-103D - PANASONIC UB450 - PANASONIC 4K ULTRA HD TV - PIXEL 6 - AVANTREE LR BLUETOOTH - 2* X600 SOUNDCORE - HEADPHONES INCLUDE, FIIO, NURAPHONES', FOCAL, OPPO, BOSE, CAMBRIDGE, BOWER & WILKINS, DEVIALET, MARSHALL, SONY, MITCHELL & JOHNSTON - 2*ZBOOK'S- MERCURY BD ROM, ROON, QOBUZ, TIDAL, PLEX, CYBERLINK, JRIVER - MULTI HDD'S -

    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


    ***SMILE, BE HAPPY***

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