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    Default Usb cable delay on playback

    I have a play back delay problem using a USB Cable on Rpi3..
    I have cheaper USB that plays with 4 seconds between tracks.
    When i try the 'Posh' expensive USB cable (here on demo),
    it turns into 30 + seconds between tracks! (sounds better though!)

    I am using Rpi3 to USB/SPDif converter to a DAC. Picoreplayer and LSM.
    Squeezebox app on iPad/iphone to control..
    Any thoughts??
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    its broken?

    maybe it has some circuitry in the cable, a buffer of some kind... But that is a long delay

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    Even 4 secs seems excessive tbh unless its been set that way. Sounds like a compatability issue perhaps
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    cheers chaps
    yes the 4 second thing maybe a setting in picore or LMS but the cables are the same length and the POSH cable still works so
    shouldn't be an issue with a break or such.
    Not sure how a USB cable (not powered) can be incompatible ?
    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    Even 4 secs seems excessive tbh unless its been set that way. Sounds like a compatability issue perhaps
    "lack of passion is fatal"
    Gerrard 401, classic hifi hammertone, Russ Collinson plinth / Tenuto Gun Metal Turntable Mat / SME 3012 J7 Rewired / audio-technica ATP-12T - phonomac modified / Ortofon Vintage SPU GE /Shure M3D /DV XX2Mk2 / The Cartridge Man Music Master with isolator / Miyajima Zero B 0.7mil Mono / Vintage GE VRII Mono / WAD 300b Power modded, TJ Mesh Plate Valves / David Coe AD Audio 'Satchmo' Pre & Phono / Hashimoto HM-7 SUT / Tannoy 12" MGs in RFC Custom Rutland Cabinets with RFC Custom Crossovers / Speaker Cables: Duelund DCA16GA Tinned Copper / SW1X Audio Design USB-SPdif / SW1X Audio Design DAC 1 Signature / Interconnects: Duelund DCA20GA home brew /SW1X Audio SPDIF AERO 6 / Synology NAS Drive / Roon / Tidal HiFi / Mains Power Conditioner

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    Strange. The only thing that I can think of is that the fancy cable is so hopelessly out of spec, or damaged, that the system is struggling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTLOWER View Post
    I have a play back delay problem using a USB Cable on Rpi3..
    I have cheaper USB that plays with 4 seconds between tracks.
    When i try the 'Posh' expensive USB cable (here on demo),
    it turns into 30 + seconds between tracks! (sounds better though!)

    I am using Rpi3 to USB/SPDif converter to a DAC. Picoreplayer and LSM.
    Squeezebox app on iPad/iphone to control..
    Any thoughts??
    I've built a pi3 picoreplayer LMS server/player (Digi+ Pro) it does gapless perfectly well, and I'm not aware of any parameter in piCorePlayer that adds gaps between the tracks...

    The pi3 has more than enough grunt to easily run LMS and a player

    Where do you store your music, on an HD connected locally to the pi? on a NAS? What size/speed SD card are you using?
    Cheers, Will

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    Synology Basic Nas Drive, LMS stored on the NAS and flac files


    Quote Originally Posted by WAD62 View Post
    I've built a pi3 picoreplayer LMS server/player (Digi+ Pro) it does gapless perfectly well, and I'm not aware of any parameter in piCorePlayer that adds gaps between the tracks...

    The pi3 has more than enough grunt to easily run LMS and a player

    Where do you store your music, on an HD connected locally to the pi? on a NAS? What size/speed SD card are you using?
    "lack of passion is fatal"
    Gerrard 401, classic hifi hammertone, Russ Collinson plinth / Tenuto Gun Metal Turntable Mat / SME 3012 J7 Rewired / audio-technica ATP-12T - phonomac modified / Ortofon Vintage SPU GE /Shure M3D /DV XX2Mk2 / The Cartridge Man Music Master with isolator / Miyajima Zero B 0.7mil Mono / Vintage GE VRII Mono / WAD 300b Power modded, TJ Mesh Plate Valves / David Coe AD Audio 'Satchmo' Pre & Phono / Hashimoto HM-7 SUT / Tannoy 12" MGs in RFC Custom Rutland Cabinets with RFC Custom Crossovers / Speaker Cables: Duelund DCA16GA Tinned Copper / SW1X Audio Design USB-SPdif / SW1X Audio Design DAC 1 Signature / Interconnects: Duelund DCA20GA home brew /SW1X Audio SPDIF AERO 6 / Synology NAS Drive / Roon / Tidal HiFi / Mains Power Conditioner

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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTLOWER View Post
    Synology Basic Nas Drive, LMS stored on the NAS and flac files
    Hard wired or wifi?

    Have you always had a 4 second gap between tracks? That would drive me mad!!!

    Do you have other squeezebox players in the system?

    Did you expand the SD card on your pi?
    Cheers, Will

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    WIFI Rpi
    yes always a 4 sec delay
    no other squeezes
    not sure what you mean regarding the expand the SD card....

    Quote Originally Posted by WAD62 View Post
    Hard wired or wifi?

    Have you always had a 4 second gap between tracks? That would drive me mad!!!

    Do you have other squeezebox players in the system?

    Did you expand the SD card on your pi?
    "lack of passion is fatal"
    Gerrard 401, classic hifi hammertone, Russ Collinson plinth / Tenuto Gun Metal Turntable Mat / SME 3012 J7 Rewired / audio-technica ATP-12T - phonomac modified / Ortofon Vintage SPU GE /Shure M3D /DV XX2Mk2 / The Cartridge Man Music Master with isolator / Miyajima Zero B 0.7mil Mono / Vintage GE VRII Mono / WAD 300b Power modded, TJ Mesh Plate Valves / David Coe AD Audio 'Satchmo' Pre & Phono / Hashimoto HM-7 SUT / Tannoy 12" MGs in RFC Custom Rutland Cabinets with RFC Custom Crossovers / Speaker Cables: Duelund DCA16GA Tinned Copper / SW1X Audio Design USB-SPdif / SW1X Audio Design DAC 1 Signature / Interconnects: Duelund DCA20GA home brew /SW1X Audio SPDIF AERO 6 / Synology NAS Drive / Roon / Tidal HiFi / Mains Power Conditioner

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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTLOWER View Post
    WIFI Rpi
    yes always a 4 sec delay
    no other squeezes
    not sure what you mean regarding the expand the SD card....
    ...more accurately 'Expand The FS' file system

    It's on the main page, under advance settings...it won't do any harm

    Presumably your NAS is wired? and has enough CPU/RAM to run LMS

    and finally that you're playing files stored on the NAS

    EDIT; Not finally...are you using the pi3's on board wifi, I'd advise not, I found it very flakey, get a 'plugable' USB one, and turn the pi one off in the wifi settings
    Cheers, Will

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