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    Question capacitor question?

    capacitor question?

    Can I swap a: 3.9 uf, 250v MKP (MONACOR)

    For a: 5.6 uf, 1000v MKP (Mcap)

    cheers!


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    What is it going in and what does it do?
    “Music has always been a matter of energy to me, a question of fuel. Sentimental people call it inspiration, but what they really mean is fuel. I have always needed fuel. I am a serious consumer. On some nights I still believe that a car with the gas needle on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Tait View Post
    What is it going in and what does it do?
    it's going in a Cary 100t DAC, on an output board

    Cheers!
    John Wood 6L6 Valve Amp, with:

    6L6GC Russian Original (no logo) Output Tubes 4x, supplied by J.Wood.
    ECC81 Mullard NOS Input Tubes 2x
    12AU7 (ECC82) Brimar NOS Input Tubes 2x

    Wilson Benesch Actor Loudspeakers.

    REL Stampede Subwoofer.

    Cary Audio 100t Dac.
    M2Tech Hi-Face 2 RCA USB to S/PDIF (co-axial) converter.

    HP Pavilion G6 - 2382sa D0Y14EA#ABU + "The Teddy" 19/3 - 19V 3.5A LPSU.

    The Missing Link Ultra-Pure System ~ EPS-100 ~Audiophile Silver Un-switched Double Wall Socket +
    APC ‘SurgeArrest’ Surge protector - PM1W-UK (Schneider), + AG500P Power Inspired mains – ‘pure sine wave’ re-generator.

    Sennheiser HD 558 headset.

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    Yes should be fine.
    “Music has always been a matter of energy to me, a question of fuel. Sentimental people call it inspiration, but what they really mean is fuel. I have always needed fuel. I am a serious consumer. On some nights I still believe that a car with the gas needle on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio”

    Hunter S Thompson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Tait View Post
    Yes should be fine.
    many thanks!
    John Wood 6L6 Valve Amp, with:

    6L6GC Russian Original (no logo) Output Tubes 4x, supplied by J.Wood.
    ECC81 Mullard NOS Input Tubes 2x
    12AU7 (ECC82) Brimar NOS Input Tubes 2x

    Wilson Benesch Actor Loudspeakers.

    REL Stampede Subwoofer.

    Cary Audio 100t Dac.
    M2Tech Hi-Face 2 RCA USB to S/PDIF (co-axial) converter.

    HP Pavilion G6 - 2382sa D0Y14EA#ABU + "The Teddy" 19/3 - 19V 3.5A LPSU.

    The Missing Link Ultra-Pure System ~ EPS-100 ~Audiophile Silver Un-switched Double Wall Socket +
    APC ‘SurgeArrest’ Surge protector - PM1W-UK (Schneider), + AG500P Power Inspired mains – ‘pure sine wave’ re-generator.

    Sennheiser HD 558 headset.

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    capacitor question?

    Can I swap a: 3.9 uf, 250v MKP (MONACOR)

    P1070254.jpg

    For a: 5.6 uf, 450v (Mcap)

    http://www.hificollective.co.uk/comp...p_evo_oil.html

    cheers!
    Last edited by the_doc735; 13-03-2017 at 22:16.
    John Wood 6L6 Valve Amp, with:

    6L6GC Russian Original (no logo) Output Tubes 4x, supplied by J.Wood.
    ECC81 Mullard NOS Input Tubes 2x
    12AU7 (ECC82) Brimar NOS Input Tubes 2x

    Wilson Benesch Actor Loudspeakers.

    REL Stampede Subwoofer.

    Cary Audio 100t Dac.
    M2Tech Hi-Face 2 RCA USB to S/PDIF (co-axial) converter.

    HP Pavilion G6 - 2382sa D0Y14EA#ABU + "The Teddy" 19/3 - 19V 3.5A LPSU.

    The Missing Link Ultra-Pure System ~ EPS-100 ~Audiophile Silver Un-switched Double Wall Socket +
    APC ‘SurgeArrest’ Surge protector - PM1W-UK (Schneider), + AG500P Power Inspired mains – ‘pure sine wave’ re-generator.

    Sennheiser HD 558 headset.

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    there £90 each!
    John Wood 6L6 Valve Amp, with:

    6L6GC Russian Original (no logo) Output Tubes 4x, supplied by J.Wood.
    ECC81 Mullard NOS Input Tubes 2x
    12AU7 (ECC82) Brimar NOS Input Tubes 2x

    Wilson Benesch Actor Loudspeakers.

    REL Stampede Subwoofer.

    Cary Audio 100t Dac.
    M2Tech Hi-Face 2 RCA USB to S/PDIF (co-axial) converter.

    HP Pavilion G6 - 2382sa D0Y14EA#ABU + "The Teddy" 19/3 - 19V 3.5A LPSU.

    The Missing Link Ultra-Pure System ~ EPS-100 ~Audiophile Silver Un-switched Double Wall Socket +
    APC ‘SurgeArrest’ Surge protector - PM1W-UK (Schneider), + AG500P Power Inspired mains – ‘pure sine wave’ re-generator.

    Sennheiser HD 558 headset.

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    Hi Paul

    As the Cary is a valve output stage, there are a few cautions changing capacitors
    this is because there is lots of DC voltage typically 300v on typically the anode of the valve

    You should turn the DAC off for at least 12 hours, by unplugging it, to allow voltage to dissipate and be very good at
    soldering and electronics, as what you are embarking upon is not a beginners project. If you have experience
    then follow safety precautions with high voltage emphasis.

    You would also be invalidating your warranty

    At the very least IMO write to Cary asking for their advice. If they are plugging into
    what audiophiles want - they may well consider the alternative capacitor in their production.

    The net effect will be to load the valve and earlier circuitry slightly differently- which may or
    may not be within the valves specifications. It may for instance add small distortion
    that the other capacitor did not exhibit, arising from extra current being required.
    From my understanding a change to the cathode side may also become evident

    Overall you can be pretty sure Cary has measured every facet to extract both the best audio
    and the longest reliability. But possibly you may reap a benefit they have not discovered which
    my understanding will be in the ESR rating of the capacitor being much higher.

    A great read on most audio topics is here with great detail on valve stages: http://education.lenardaudio.com/

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers / Chris
    Last edited by Light Dependant Resistor; 14-03-2017 at 07:41.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Light Dependant Resistor View Post
    Hi Paul

    As the Cary is a valve output stage, there are a few cautions changing capacitors
    this is because there is lots of DC voltage typically 300v on typically the anode of the valve

    You should turn the DAC off for at least 12 hours, by unplugging it, to allow voltage to dissipate and be very good at
    soldering and electronics, as what you are embarking upon is not a beginners project. If you have experience
    then follow safety precautions with high voltage emphasis.

    You would also be invalidating your warranty

    At the very least IMO write to Cary asking for their advice. If they are plugging into
    what audiophiles want - they may well consider the alternative capacitor in their production.

    The net effect will be to load the valve and earlier circuitry slightly differently- which may or
    may not be within the valves specifications. It may for instance add small distortion
    that the other capacitor did not exhibit, arising from extra current being required.
    From my understanding a change to the cathode side may also become evident

    Overall you can be pretty sure Cary has measured every facet to extract both the best audio
    and the longest reliability. But possibly you may reap a benefit they have not discovered which
    my understanding will be in the ESR rating of the capacitor being much higher.

    A great read on most audio topics is here with great detail on valve stages: http://education.lenardaudio.com/

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers / Chris
    Thank you for your help, much appreciated!

    Output capacitors will be upgraded to Oil capacitors (with larger uF as suggested by Cary themselves - better bass).

    I have been soldering for about 44 years with 'parrot fashion' guidance, in computers, amps, TV's etc.

    I was going to ask about polarity, there are no + - signs on the caps?

    Also, how to discharge any voltage/current in the DAC, BEFORE doing anything!!

    This DAC has had several output caps in its history, Panasonic, Modwright, Monacor, Dynamicap, etc. as well as several makes of valve!! LOL.

    John Wood 6L6 Valve Amp, with:

    6L6GC Russian Original (no logo) Output Tubes 4x, supplied by J.Wood.
    ECC81 Mullard NOS Input Tubes 2x
    12AU7 (ECC82) Brimar NOS Input Tubes 2x

    Wilson Benesch Actor Loudspeakers.

    REL Stampede Subwoofer.

    Cary Audio 100t Dac.
    M2Tech Hi-Face 2 RCA USB to S/PDIF (co-axial) converter.

    HP Pavilion G6 - 2382sa D0Y14EA#ABU + "The Teddy" 19/3 - 19V 3.5A LPSU.

    The Missing Link Ultra-Pure System ~ EPS-100 ~Audiophile Silver Un-switched Double Wall Socket +
    APC ‘SurgeArrest’ Surge protector - PM1W-UK (Schneider), + AG500P Power Inspired mains – ‘pure sine wave’ re-generator.

    Sennheiser HD 558 headset.

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