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    Hi all
    Could anyone tell me why my new dac sounds flat?


    I bought irdac 2 for my bedroom setup
    I decided to use it with my main system, to hook up my irdac 2 to my cxa 80.

    Using laptop and foobar.
    Arcam informed me that the dac plays dsd native.

    This is the setup
    Laptop to irdac 2 USB
    Changed settings in foobar to stream dsd native .
    No dop.


    Arcam driver tells me all is fine.
    Now when I compare the sound with Cambridge cxn, it sounds flat.
    Midrange isn't anywhere near the sq of the cxn.

    I play dsd files from external hard drive to cxn, Cambridge told me the cxn downsample to 192.
    Why would it sound so different??

    Does dsd naturally sound flat played native???


    If I flick between laptop ,(USB to irdac 2) and cxn. The difference is night and day.


    Could it be that the irdac2 needs burn in?? Not sure that exists.
    Forgot to add.
    Playing flac 192 through irdac 2 then to cxn, there's no difference in sq , so is identical .
    Just seems to be dsd native.
    Thanks in advance

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    Have you installed WASAPI for Foobar?
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    was going to say are you using asio or wasapi
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    Yes. Asio.
    Everything's working fine,
    It's sending native.
    I also used jriver,
    It's definitely streaming native.
    Iam beginning to think that sacd is naturally bland.

    I suspect the Cambridge cxn is altering the sq.
    Hrmmm sort of adding bells and whistles to the tracks.

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    I'm not a lover of sacd/DSD in general and its true that some players/decoders sound a lot better than others. This may well be what your hearing. You could try using wasapi and see if its any better; many think it is, including me. If you dont have the driver just download and then select it as output
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    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

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    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


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    What do you get when you go to file/preferences/output, and look in the devices box?
    Is there an Asio option there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratmangler View Post
    What do you get when you go to file/preferences/output, and look in the devices box?
    Is there an Asio option there?
    Yes
    Foo_asio
    Then output arcam idac asio, thenvwindow appears to select native.

    When i play dsd , it outputscat the correct sample rate.
    My driver window comfirms this.
    Iam satisfied that the irdac is reseiving the correct sample rate.



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    Quote Originally Posted by terrys99 View Post
    Yes
    Foo_asio
    Then output arcam idac asio, thenvwindow appears to select native.

    When i play dsd , it outputscat the correct sample rate.
    My driver window comfirms this.
    Iam satisfied that the irdac is reseiving the correct sample rate.



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    Quote Originally Posted by terrys99 View Post
    Yes
    Foo_asio
    Then output arcam idac asio, thenvwindow appears to select native.

    When i play dsd , it outputscat the correct sample rate.
    My driver window comfirms this.
    Iam satisfied that the irdac is reseiving the correct sample rate.



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    Have you selected "arcam idac asio", and the hit the OK button?
    We're talking about Foobar here, and it doesn't switch anything automatically.
    If the output devices isn't properly selected the default action is to try and play the file by whatever means possible, including resampling and transcoding if necessary.
    If you select "arcam idac asio" the Foobar will chuck the audio unmolested at the output device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratmangler View Post
    Have you selected "arcam idac asio", and the hit the OK button?
    We're talking about Foobar here, and it doesn't switch anything automatically.
    If the output devices isn't properly selected the default action is to try and play the file by whatever means possible, including resampling and transcoding if necessary.
    If you select "arcam idac asio" the Foobar will chuck the audio unmolested at the output device.
    Yes arcam asio selected.
    Foobar and asio driver window comfirms this.

    I suspect that when i play from external hardrive connected to the cxn, it just sounds better , as the cxn converts dsd to 192 pcm.

    I imagined sacd native would be better, because of the sabre dsd native dac in irdac 2.

    I spoke to arcam when i first bought the unit.

    They told me that the dac chip is native dsd 64 and 128, i have played 128 on the irdac, but i cannot compare that sample rate with cxn
    Cxn is dsd 64.



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