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    Join Date: Aug 2012

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    I'm Alan.

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    Is there any way to safely remove permastat from the surface of a record without damage ??
    I put this on my "The Cars" in the 80s, and its an Original Master recording and now deeply regret that

    Alan
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    Hi Alan
    You could ask the manufacturer, http://web.rtpcompany.com/cgi-bin/mail.cgi

    May just be be thankful not more LP's were treated that way

    Cheers / Chris

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    Pinched from the net.

    It is impossible for anything digital to sound analogue, because it isn't analogue!

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    I believe it creates an ultra thin polycarbonate film. Sounds nasty. (probably literally)
    It is impossible for anything digital to sound analogue, because it isn't analogue!

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    Yep been there,I used a Moth RCM with my standard mix,not sure if it removed it all,but they play fine.
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    Aye, it should eventually come off.. maybe a slightly stronger version of nornal cleaner may be needed.or do it a few times. Remember that stuff when on sale.
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    Thanks Chaps I will give it a clean on the okki Nokki with the right stuff and see if that does the trick


    Alan
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    I briefly used Permastat in the 70s. I quickly learned not to use it after it wrecked my copy of Queen's First EP. I recall a lot of surface noise and a build-up of grot on the stylus. I'm convinced to this day that I followed the instructions religiously since I had few records at the time and so took great care of each. It was said to improve after a few plays on the basis that your stylus would clean the excess out of the grooves but although that worked on some it didn't on others.

    Pete

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    I only ever used it on new LPs thinking I was preserving that 1st play sound
    However it was a mixed bag of results and in some cases its starts to release its self intermittently from the surface clogging up your stylus and producing excess surface noise.
    My "the cars" LP has no surface noise but sounds strange so I'm sure the permastat is still on there but masking the actual grove profile.
    Would be nice to find a way to remove it without damage.
    Alan
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    Wet cleaning on a machine seems to remove it. After cleaning LP sounds 'cleaner', more open, more natural. May need more than one clean. I've done plenty like this with no problems.

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