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    Am I alone (and anal) in checking every album I play with a bubble level where the stylus passes?

    Although the SP10, arm and cart are level (azimuth corrected) most albums are not flat as they pass under the stylus, usually running up a few degrees to outer or inner depending on pressing. To correct this I use a small circular felt spacer that fits around the spindle and different arm pucks of differing weights to level things out. This works in 99% of cases.

    Weirdly older, thinner vinyl is the least variable, warped occasionally but typically perfectly flat.


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    I sure don't lol
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    Neither do I!
    Barry

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    It's just part of my routine... Ok I'm anal.. rolleyes..

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    Miyajima Shilabe cart
    Hashimoto HM-X SUT
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    Aurorasound Vida LCR Phonostage
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    My analness (for want of a better 'word' ) is not as extreme but yes, I do obsess about my records being flat. I can't abide warps and the flatter a record spins the happier I feel - sad but true

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieGong View Post
    My analness (for want of a better 'word' ) is not as extreme but yes, I do obsess about my records being flat. I can't abide warps and the flatter a record spins the happier I feel - sad but true
    That's probably true about all of us vinyl spinners. But I don't check each LP with a spirit level!
    Barry

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    A degree or so out of level, really won't make much difference.
    It is impossible for anything digital to sound analogue, because it isn't analogue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    That's probably true about all of us vinyl spinners. But I don't check each LP with a spirit level!
    Absolutely not

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    It's very important for any warp to be gentle rather than abrupt. An abrupt warp will cause 'scrub flutter' by the stylus, a phenomenon exacerbated by short arm stubs as used on tangential tracking arm designs.

    A gentle warp of 1-2 mm, measured at the record's rim, is unlikely to cause any problem.
    Barry

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    Biggest problem with many new records seems to be slight dishing
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply-doesn't-work
    .... ..... ...... ...... ................... ..... ..... ..... ..... .....
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    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


    ***SMILE, BE HAPPY***

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