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    I also remember way back many years ago that it was said to reproduce correct low frequencies your room had to be a minimum of 24 feet long so that you could produce a genuine wavelength. I know this has nothing to do with imaging though so apologies, just carrying a conversation that has arisen.
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    Even the massive Wilson Audio Alexandria XLF only does 19.5 Hz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    Mine go lower than that.
    But you're not most folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Err you find me a pair of speakers that do 8Hz. I bet your Celetions did not do 20Hz, they may have quoted that on spec but in real life I bet they didn't.

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    It was verified by independent measurement, they were not flat down to 20Hz, only 35hz, but useful output went below 20Hz (i.e less than 12dB down). The JM labs I have now are flat to 40Hz but do pretty much nothing below that and it is noticeable compared to the Celestions.

    Agree with you about most people's speakers but most people tend to use teeny tiny little things that essentially do not do any bass at all.

    There are several subwoofer designs that will do 8Hz, I didn't suggest there were speakers that go that low but there might be.
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    The kef 107's could and did go down to 18hz. The Raven Talons down to 19hz. Whether they go down uniformly I don't know - but any output below 30hz is useful. Good cabinet design, long throw drivers and wide bandwidth equipment, room interaction can all help. The point is, until you've experienced it it's easy (easier) to dismiss what you're missing as non existent or not doable. But that doesnt mean it isn't.

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    Regarding low frequency sounds I am not really interested in the numbers game. I can easily hear what Younger Brother records on his CD's as well as many more artists and one thing I know from experience is that a synth can go bloody low using a sub oscillator. I just love that low frequency sound that appears to come from everywhere and fills the room with awesomeness. Bloody love it, whatever frequency it is.
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    Regarding stereo imaging, I have Uni-Q drivers in my loudspeakers so I am surrounded by swirling images. Bloody love that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farflungstar View Post
    The kef 107's could and did go down to 18hz. The Raven Talons down to 19hz. Whether they go down uniformly I don't know - but any output below 30hz is useful. Good cabinet design, long throw drivers and wide bandwidth equipment, room interaction can all help. The point is, until you've experienced it it's easy (easier) to dismiss what you're missing as non existent or not doable. But that doesnt mean it isn't.

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    I agree with you Adrian anything below 30Hz has lots of info that substantiates everything else. Scale especially is good when you get to around 30-40Kz and below. It seems to allow the ear to hear the high frequency stuff better and with greater definition.

    I am just pissed off I can only manage about 60Hz and would need a much larger room and speakers to achieve what I would like to hear.
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    more bass you say!

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    Isn't imaging an illusion created by engineers in the digital domain, if so only modern vinyl should be compared with digital.
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