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Thread: Can vinyl image like digital?

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    Default Can vinyl image like digital?

    My digital source cost about 100 new, my analogue source cost about 2k USED.

    And yet I would say pretty much most of the time the digital source images much better and can do the whole 3D holographic thing much better also, I do love vinyl and it is my primary source but when I play something off the digital source I do often think I'm missing out on a lot.

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    Oh yes

    You need a very good phono stage though.

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    It does it better I would say....
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    Cables- free interconnects that come with CD players, mains leads from B&Q, dead kettles etc, extension leads from Tesco

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    Short answer is yes, best I have heard in 3d imaging was from digital but it was an active system but I have heard some seriously impressive holographics from vinyl. Look to the phonostage. A 2 box Paradise effort and the Music First phono stage both do amazing imaging, I wouldn't have said it was possible until I heard it. But the Paradise is a quite expensive DIY build and the Music First is so expensive even the designer can't afford one.
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    You didn't say what your analogue source is. It's probably easy enough to spend a couple of grand and have a source that just won't deliver the goods. Not that I'm suggesting that's what you've done.
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    Something seriously wrong here. In my experience vinyl (when everything is optimal) will have greater depth, width and height of image over digital which in my long experience is flatter and less dimensional than vinyl.
    Regards Neil

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    The room will play a big part. The only times I have heard it is in very big rooms, big enough that reflections were not an issue. Never heard it in a living room type situation. Or should say 'seen' because I am talking about systems that just paint the image out for you, you don't need to listen or concentrate, it is just there.
    Martin



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    You need to come around here Martin, and Matt for that matter,

    you'd be very welcome.

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    My experience is no, it cannot. Vinyl cannot image some sounds in stereo for physical reasons and cannot do the cavernous imaging that CD can.
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    Prima Luna Dialogue Premium power amp EL34

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    Van Den Hul Teatrack biwired loudspeaker cables
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    QED Reference Audio 40 on phono stages

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Short answer is yes, best I have heard in 3d imaging was from digital but it was an active system but I have heard some seriously impressive holographics from vinyl. Look to the phonostage. A 2 box Paradise effort and the Music First phono stage both do amazing imaging, I wouldn't have said it was possible until I heard it. But the Paradise is a quite expensive DIY build and the Music First is so expensive even the designer can't afford one.
    Strangely enough my best ever experience with imaging and soundstaging was also from digital... A 2K or so old Marantz CD player going through an Arkless pre and Arkless modded Leak Stereo 20 into re-built ESL57's.... Generally though all my wow moments on the soundstaging front have been from vinyl...
    Arkless Electronics-Engineered to be better. Tel. 01670 530674 (after 1pm)

    Modded Thorens TD150, Audio Technica AT-1005 MkII, Technics EPC-300MC, Arkless Hybrid MC phono stage, Arkless passive pre, Arkless 50WPC Class A SS power amp, (or) Arkless modded Leak Stereo 20, Modded Kef Reference 105/3's
    ReVox PR99, Studer B62, Ferrograph Series 7, Tandberg TCD440, Hitachi FT-5500MkI, also FT-5500MkII
    Digital: Yamaha CDR-HD1500 (Digital Swiss army knife-CD recorder, player, hard drive, DAC and ADC in one), PC files via 24/96 sound card and SPDIF, modded Philips CD850, modded Philips CD104, modded DPA Little Bit DAC. Sennheiser HD580 cans with Arkless Headphone amp.
    Cables- free interconnects that come with CD players, mains leads from B&Q, dead kettles etc, extension leads from Tesco

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