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    I agree, that a system should be both enjoyable and musical!

    But as always, each to their own.

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    That's a pretty typical AV Showrooms video, show report, equipment review.

    I think that particular musician was playing in the Audio Note rooms at various shows and AV Showrooms use his (among others) music to review gear. They have a copyright agreement with a couple of musicians who permit their music to be played and they get publicity in return - thus AVS avoid having videos pulled off You tube.

    Frankly I am sick of hearing this choice in their videos, to the point now I watch for a minute then fast forward through or move on to the next video.

    Peter is an acquired taste too as a presenter, bit like Marmite.

    No audio system can reproduce a musical instrument fully, but assuming the recording was a good one, hearing the musician live before does give insights into some aspects of things, so not a total waste of time.
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    The aim of hi-fi is to accurately reproduce the recording of the instrument, not the instrument. A subtle but important difference.

    As for Audionote it is one of my favourite of the crazy money brands in that it is always sweet and pleasant to listen to. The 'speakers in the corners' thing is just wrong, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    The aim of hi-fi is to accurately reproduce the recording of the instrument, not the instrument. A subtle but important difference.

    As for Audionote it is one of my favourite of the crazy money brands in that it is always sweet and pleasant to listen to. The 'speakers in the corners' thing is just wrong, though.

    Yes, aren't we all are aware of that

    I absolutely detest this. When people say, ''my system can reproduce the feeling/experience, as if the bloody band are vividly performing in front me'', or ''playing in my room'' etc. Another one I can't stand is, ''sitting in the mixing room with the engineer''.... What a load of nonsense!

    But I do accept that we all perceive things differently.

    In my opinion a Hi-Fi system. Is just a slightly more sophisticated version of a midi system. Nothing more, or less.

    Edit: It's also the rip-off prices that makes me cringe!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by southall-1998 View Post
    Yes, aren't we all are aware of that

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    Well no, I don't think so. Which is why you get people as you have described who claim 'my benchmark for hi fi is live music.'
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    I think that expecting recorded/reproduced music to sound like a live performance is simply asking too much - no matter what the system is or what it costs. It is only ever going to create an approximation of the "real" musical sound. But, subconsciously I suppose, we suspend our disbelief and enjoy it for what it is - a musical event in its own right. And very enjoyable it is too, if we have managed to assemble a playback system that makes the sort of sound we like. It's a bit like going to the theatre: you know that you are not watching real characters living out actual and true events on stage. It's an illusion, but one that we willingly consent to participate in. And no harm in that, because good theatre can be a very enriching artistic experience, even though it is not "real". And so can listening to recorded music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinitely Baffled View Post
    I think that expecting recorded/reproduced music to sound like a live performance is simply asking too much - no matter what the system is or what it costs. It is only ever going to create an approximation of the "real" musical sound. But, subconsciously I suppose, we suspend our disbelief and enjoy it for what it is - a musical event in its own right. And very enjoyable it is too, if we have managed to assemble a playback system that makes the sort of sound we like. It's a bit like going to the theatre: you know that you are not watching real characters living out actual and true events on stage. It's an illusion, but one that we willingly consent to participate in. And no harm in that, because good theatre can be a very enriching artistic experience, even though it is not "real". And so can listening to recorded music.
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    Decent post, Gary. Yes, I agree!

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    I was present at one of the B&W live V recorded demos in the early 80's where they had an employee name of George Hooley play the clarinet between the speakers and then they would switch over to a R2R recording of the same bloke playing the same clarinet at random points in the demo. It was most impressive. Out of a room of about 25 people there was only myself and 3 others who claimed to be able to tell the difference between live and recorded.
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    That's worrying. There's no way I could be fooled by my system into thinking there was eg. a string quartet in the next room. Maybe it's nowhere near as capable a setup as I like to imagine. Whatever - I'm not starting again!

    Thinking about it, it is probably no co-incidence that these real vs recording comparisons are done with a single instrument (aside from the difficulty of cramming an 8-piece ensemble into a demonstration room). It is in fact believable that a good system could make a decent fist out of replicating the sound of a single instrument. Imagine a solitary acoustic guitar, or indeed a clarinet. With nothing else to disturb the acoustic and the musical presentation, I can believe that might come across very well. What would more difficult, though, would be to keep up the standard of the deception as you add more and more instruments and/or voices. It is hard to imagine any system recreating a genuinely convincing sound of the Duke Ellington Orchestra, Loose Tubes, or a Mahler symphony. Maybe it is simply "scale" that a system, no matter how good, would never get right. That, plus the incremental complexity of layering instruments and harmonies and textures on top of each other without them becoming a sort of homogenous wall of sound. I know hi-fi critics and reviewers all talk about that being what good systems can do, but only up to a point, surely? With large scale music, I'm always aware that I'm listening to a facsimile.

    Am I on my own here ...?
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    Not sure I want a string quartet in me room with me anyway. Thats why Ive got the stereo. Ive heard a few recordings that have come very close with say a solo player/singer with calm backing and felt them in room but only occasionally
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