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  1. #1
    Join Date: Jun 2015

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    Ive noticed one or two people who seem to consistently make a 30-50% (->100%!) markup on things sold on this and other forums. They buy them on ebay or other forums and move them on within weeks for a significant premium. They claim to be inveterate box swappers but they make a nice little earner from the forums.

    This really winds me up as I think on the forums we should be sharing our good fortune for getting gear at a reasonable price if it doesn't work out for us. Don't get me wrong I've made money before but I sell them on ebay or gumtree as I don't see the same expectation of being a community on there.

    I was wondering if I'm being overly sensitive and the classifieds are just a free market free for all,or if people agree with me on this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence001 View Post
    Ive noticed one or two people who seem to consistently make a 30-50% (->100%!) markup on things sold on this and other forums. They buy them on ebay or other forums and move them on within weeks for a significant premium. They claim to be inveterate box swappers but they make a nice little earner from the forums.

    This really winds me up as I think on the forums we should be sharing our good fortune for getting gear at a reasonable price if it doesn't work out for us. Don't get me wrong I've made money before but I sell them on ebay or gumtree as I don't see the same expectation of being a community on there.

    I was wondering if I'm being overly sensitive and the classifieds are just a free market free for all,or if people agree with me on this?


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    Lawrence if you have evidence to prove that anyone on here is basically running a covert business, buying to sell not to keep and try, then not like and sell on then please forward the evidence to Marco or one of the mods. This evidence must include links to the Ebay auction, and the ads on here or elsewhere.

    I would think that anyone found to be running a used HiFi business covertly will be asked to register as trade in order to sell here in future.
    Regards Neil

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    I don't know if it's enough to justify that description. One or two items every month or two isn't really going to be a business proposition. It's more just the way they consistently make money on every item at the expense of other forum members, I'm trying to get a feel for if the majority think that's fair game or not in the spirit of the forum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence001 View Post
    I don't know if it's enough to justify that description. One or two items every month or two isn't really going to be a business proposition. It's more just the way they consistently make money on every item at the expense of other forum members, I'm trying to get a feel for if the majority think that's fair game or not in the spirit of the forum.


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    That quantity every month would I feel start to slide it into being a business, maybe drip feeding stock into for sales ads on forums to avoid looking like trade. Who knows what stock they have built up in order to sell on via that model.

    As I say any evidence regarding members doing that pass it on to Marco or a Mod and we will look at the evidence and assess if a trade status is required.
    Regards Neil

    System 1: AMG Giro turntable, AMG 9W2 tonearm, Air Tight PC3 cartridge, Passlabs Xono phonostage, AMG Reference armcable. Accuphase DP57 CD player, Marantz SA7 SACD player, Sony HAP Z1es Digital File Player + Audioquest Jitter Bug, Veracity Mystra DAC + Dell Laptop + iFi i power + JKenny JKSPIDIF, Wireworld Starlight USB + Audioquest Jitter Bug, for computer audio, Audio Valve RKV2 headphone amp, headphones Grado GS 1000, Balanced Audio Technology VK300se integrated amplifier, Anthony Gallo Reference 3.1 speakers. Cabling: Signal - Audience AU24, Analysis Plus, Atlas Mavros, Speaker - QED Genesis Silver Spiral. Mains Cabling: Audience AU24, Analysis Plus, TCI. Mark Grant distribution blocks, Equipment tables Target Audio B series.

    System 2: Loricraft Garrard 401 turntable + SME 5 tonearm + VDH MC10 cartridge + Graham IC70 tonearm cable, Modified Technics 1200 turntable + Triplannar 7 tonearm + VDH Frog Gold cartridge + Paul Hynes SR7 PSU, SME Model 20 turntable + Graham Phantom tonearm + Ortofon MC5200 cartridge + Graham IC70 tonearm cable, Balanced Audio Technology VK10se phonostage, Moon Andromeda CD player, Esoteric P5 SACD transport and P 5 DAC, Toshiba 9500 DVD Audio player, AMR DP777 DAC + HP laptop + iFi i power + Wireworld Starlight USB - for computer audio, Kenwood 8300 tuner, Revox B760 tuner, Magnum Dynalab signal sleuth, Leak Troughline tuner + EAR Stereo decoder, Revox B77 mk 2 & Revox A77 mk3 reel to reel recorders, Balanced Audio Technology VK52se pre-amplifier, Music Reference RM200 mk1 power-amplifier, Anthony Gallo Reference 3.5 speakers. Cabling: Signal/Speaker - Atlas Mavros. Mains Cabling: Audience AU24, TCI. Mains distribution blocks Mark Grant and Russ Andrews, Equipment tables Clear Light Audio.

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    It certainly goes against the spirit of HiFI member sales, but there's always someone out there who's willing to throw ethics out of the window to make a quick buck.
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    Its certainly not in the spirit or the aims of private exhibitions. Its for members to sell to each other there gear without fees in a gentlemanly manner. Obviously buying stuff cheap to sell here at a profit will be frowned on. Again, if its just the occasional bit thats different,... the usual markdown is about 25% or so as thats what you pay in fees elsewhere.
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    Actually I did send a list of sales and ebay links to a mod about a year ago and was told they were aware so I guess it didn't qualify as a business and then it went a bit quiet for a while. I've just noticed it's picking up slightly again but not anything that qualifies as trade. If it grows I'll send an update to the mods.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence001 View Post
    Actually I did send a list of sales and ebay links to a mod about a year ago and was told they were aware so I guess it didn't qualify as a business and then it went a bit quiet for a while. I've just noticed it's picking up slightly again but not anything that qualifies as trade. If it grows I'll send an update to the mods.


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    Present the new evidence and refresh re the old and Marco and the Mods will have another look.
    Regards Neil

    System 1: AMG Giro turntable, AMG 9W2 tonearm, Air Tight PC3 cartridge, Passlabs Xono phonostage, AMG Reference armcable. Accuphase DP57 CD player, Marantz SA7 SACD player, Sony HAP Z1es Digital File Player + Audioquest Jitter Bug, Veracity Mystra DAC + Dell Laptop + iFi i power + JKenny JKSPIDIF, Wireworld Starlight USB + Audioquest Jitter Bug, for computer audio, Audio Valve RKV2 headphone amp, headphones Grado GS 1000, Balanced Audio Technology VK300se integrated amplifier, Anthony Gallo Reference 3.1 speakers. Cabling: Signal - Audience AU24, Analysis Plus, Atlas Mavros, Speaker - QED Genesis Silver Spiral. Mains Cabling: Audience AU24, Analysis Plus, TCI. Mark Grant distribution blocks, Equipment tables Target Audio B series.

    System 2: Loricraft Garrard 401 turntable + SME 5 tonearm + VDH MC10 cartridge + Graham IC70 tonearm cable, Modified Technics 1200 turntable + Triplannar 7 tonearm + VDH Frog Gold cartridge + Paul Hynes SR7 PSU, SME Model 20 turntable + Graham Phantom tonearm + Ortofon MC5200 cartridge + Graham IC70 tonearm cable, Balanced Audio Technology VK10se phonostage, Moon Andromeda CD player, Esoteric P5 SACD transport and P 5 DAC, Toshiba 9500 DVD Audio player, AMR DP777 DAC + HP laptop + iFi i power + Wireworld Starlight USB - for computer audio, Kenwood 8300 tuner, Revox B760 tuner, Magnum Dynalab signal sleuth, Leak Troughline tuner + EAR Stereo decoder, Revox B77 mk 2 & Revox A77 mk3 reel to reel recorders, Balanced Audio Technology VK52se pre-amplifier, Music Reference RM200 mk1 power-amplifier, Anthony Gallo Reference 3.5 speakers. Cabling: Signal/Speaker - Atlas Mavros. Mains Cabling: Audience AU24, TCI. Mains distribution blocks Mark Grant and Russ Andrews, Equipment tables Clear Light Audio.

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    There are other things to consider.

    Nobody is forced to pay the asking prices and if these prices are too high, items are less likely to sell.

    Also, some folks do like to 'box swap' regularly as part of their enjoyment of what is after all, a hobby.

    I think that profits are inevitable, but so are losses. I experience both on the modest amount of gear I move on.
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    I have noticed 2 suspects , I contacted Marco re one , Nothing done about it
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