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    I have measured the room and it comes int at 5.7m x 7.35m. Speaker wise I am erring towards floor standing.

    If you have no knowledge it is easy to be pulled in to buying a system that What Hifi recommends, but from what you are all saying, something superb can be built from second hand kit.

    I am noticing mixed opinions on cd or streamer, when I first posted I was looking at streamers, yesterday I was cd and today I am again undecided. Might have to shoot for both.

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    That's a decent sized room, so some reasonably sized floor standing speakers would probably be good. There's plenty of choice on the used market. Once you have speakers, choose an amp to suit them.
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    £6,000 to spend.
    Nice.
    For me that would be circa £300 max on an amp (I paid £190 for my current pre/power amp setup). £140 on a DAC. £300 max on cables. The rest on the speakers. Assuming you already have an internetted PC that you can hook a USB cable to.

    No that doesn't follow the established wisdom in budget allocation, but I think it would get you the best vfm or sound/£!
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    Have you looked at the Reference 3a Veena Mk.2 speakers John has on sale here? They'd be a wonderful starting point for a fine sounding system.

    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...A-Mk2-SPEAKERS
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    There is also the consideration of whether you would like to go the valve route. Lots of good amps around secondhand, I believe the was a Radford for sale on here which is a cracking amp, and an investment to boot as they will only go up in value.
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    Here tis-

    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...hlight=Radford

    These are seriously good amps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    Have you looked at the Reference 3a Veena Mk.2 speakers John has on sale here? They'd be a wonderful starting point for a fine sounding system.

    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...A-Mk2-SPEAKERS
    I would certainly have recommended these but not knowing what the op had heard/listened to makes it very difficult. I think Jandl's 90% might just be over egging the pudding (no offence meant since we both think the majority of the budget should be spent on speakers) To the op, I really don't think you need to spend anything like £6000 to get a great sounding system and maybe spending 40-50% of that would be an ideal starting point to see how you get on. It would also leave a bit in the kitty if you felt like upgrading in the future, which I'm sure for many is a big part of the fun.

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    Plenty easy going speakers available for under £600. Thats the main thing, then a nice amp that isnt fussy next, and should be acievable for 3/4 hundred. Then a cd spinner or transport n dac. Can do well for very little tbh. Start with that and some sensible price wires, and run it for some time. Probably a grand or so is enough to open your gambit with. After a few months you will likely know where the weaknesses lie and can, if careful pick up an improvement and sell on the one you think inferior, losing very little in process. Try and get speakers right first time...rich b has or had a couple of pairs on sale, both of which are super. Worth the drive up to get em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post

    - definitely streaming.
    Before you decide on your music system, you need to decide on the SQ of your source.

    Record deck good,
    CD good,
    Computer stored music from your own CDs not an issue if you store them in lossless files such as WAV and FLAC not so good if you store them in some of the lossy formats that throw away musical information
    Streaming from the Internet. Often pretty poor as most downloads are lossy

    The key is that information thrown away at the source can never be retrieved even if you throw hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of gear at it. If you are happy to start with a compromised source that's fine, but make a conscious decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveoscar View Post
    I would certainly have recommended these but not knowing what the op had heard/listened to makes it very difficult. I think Jandl's 90% might just be over egging the pudding (no offence meant since we both think the majority of the budget should be spent on speakers) To the op, I really don't think you need to spend anything like £6000 to get a great sounding system
    I must admit I did rather pluck the 90% out of the air.
    But, looking at my own system which I am hugely in love with .... £200 amp, £140 DAC, £300 cables. £13k speakers. So called "lossy" streaming.
    So yep, not 90% on speakers .... more like 95%

    And I think it sounds fabulous!

    And yes, I've been through many multi-£k electronics - wotta wastamoney!

    If it were me with a £6k budget, I would definitely be looking up to £5k+ or so on speakers.
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