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    Join Date: May 2012

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    Default A visit to chateau Firebottle

    As promised on the Firebottle Vivant thread, here are a few pictures from the day.

    After a 360 Km drive, starting off in the fog I arrived at Rochechevreux and could see Alan's house in the distance,


    The usual warm welcome was received from Mr and Mrs Firebottle.
    After an extensive tour of the house, we adjourned to the listening room.


    Alan can be seen getting everything set up, starting off with my SL1200 shod with a HANA SL, Kin pre amp and Alan's AIR power amp, all hooked up to the suspended ESL57s.
    We listened to a few tracks that I was familiar with. Immediate impressions were good, with a nice open sound stage. It sounded very good to me and I would have been happy to listen to the system as it for the rest of the day. However, that was not the point of the visit.

    The first bits of kit we listened to:





    We then plugged the Vivant phono stage in, and played the same tracks. I was pleasantly surprised in that there was such a noticeable difference. Everything was clearer, better defined, and seemed to occupy it's own discreet space.
    I was impressed.


    Alan then substituted in his modified KIN and we played several tracks through the built in phono stage. It didn't sound quite as good as the Vivant, but it was very good. The Vivant just had a little something extra.
    To take things further, Alan swapped the AIR out, and installed the mono blocks.



    Again, there was a noticeable difference. The SL1200 through the KIN, into the mono blocks powering the ESL57s was sounding absolutely superb. I could have sat there all day listening to it, but it was lunch time.
    After a very nice lunch followed a visit to "L'atelier de Firebottle" where Alan works his magic. We spent a little bit of time modifying my KIN to increase the performance to the level of Alan's KIN. I didn't really understand the technical detail of what he did, but it seems that a bit of fairy dust was sprinkled over my phono stage in the KIN, as when we plugged it back in the system, it sounded superb.

    I then changed my cartridge to an AT33PTG/II so that we could play with various head amps that Alan had. Some were loaded at 100 Ohms, and the Hana was not best suited as it is recommended to load it at 400 Ohms.
    Before comparing the head amps, we played a few tracks to get used to the sound of the AT33PTG/II. We then tried the solid state head amps. If I am honest, I could not tell the difference between the KIN MC stage and the head amp feeding the MM input of the KIN. Alan informed me that the components were very similar, so no real difference should be really noticeable.

    Next up was the Valve head amp.

    This did sound a little different, being slightly warmer (If I remember correctly). It features some ingenious engineering with a suspension system for the valves.

    Time again for serious listening, so the Vivant went back in to the system after a quick swap of the loading plugs.


    For me, this was the best sound of the day. The AT33 to Vivant/KIN feeding the mono blocks and Quads.
    Absolutely superb.

    We played (quite) a few more tracks on the combination, but it was soon time for me to think about heading back to Toulouse.
    Before I left, Alan plugged his RTR in, which for what it has cost him is an absolute bargain. The tape he had in it was recorded from a CD, but all of the digital edginess had completely gone.
    In short, a thoroughly good day out. One of the best systems I have ever heard, which just produced the music with such ease and depth. MIBO should be interesting event, and I look forward to hearing some feedback.

    I now understand why Quad ESLs are so favoured. I would quite like a pair, especially if they could be fed by Alan's mono block amps.
    Kevin

    Too busy enjoying the music....

    European loan coordinator for Graham Slee HiFi system components..

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    Nice to see you two Francophiles have a good Audiophile session. The Vivant is coming across in your review as particularly good Kevin? Looking forward to hearing the whole lot at WiBO!

    Nice write up.
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    I quite like the Vivant, but there is not enough difference between my newly modified KIN and the Vivant to justify me buying one.
    Although I would like to, there is one major sticking point - Mrs H.

    If I could, I would have a system the same as the last one we listened to yesterday.
    I could have sat there all night listening to that.
    Kevin

    Too busy enjoying the music....

    European loan coordinator for Graham Slee HiFi system components..

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    Firstly I'd really like to thank Kevin for driving all that way to provide a top notch source to play through the system.

    To say I was impressed is a total understatement. For those that have heard Marco's system, this was better (IMO).

    I have never heard music through 'statics so good, it lacked nothing. Depth, air, slam, micro-dynamics to die for, imaging, volume!
    Yes volume, the sound was so clean we could turn it up without any strain.

    I know where my system upgrade needs to be now. I joked about pinching Kevin's AT33, looks like I'll have to get one.

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    Thumbs up A textbook example of how it should be done...

    Now *THAT* is how you post a write-up of a bake-off/meet!!

    Nicely illustrated and written, Kevin. I'll go through it and enjoy it properly later. Glad you guys had a good time

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    For those that have heard Marco's system, this was better (IMO).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audio Al View Post
    For those that have heard Marco's system, this was better (IMO).


    Balls-to-the-wall BigMutha Tannoys vs Quad 57 stats.

    Hmm. -- it's gonna be different for sure.

    I guess it all depends what you want.
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    Some of the tracks used from vinyl I took with me- in no particular order:

    Dire straits - Private Investigations
    Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy
    Tracey Chapman - Crossroads, Bridges, Freedom Now
    Kate Bush - Running up that hill
    Ben Howard - Old Pine, Diamonds
    Yello - The Expert, You better hide, Out of dawn, Bostich (reflected), Of course I'm lying, 3rd of June
    Sade - Soldier of love
    Muse - Madness
    Kevin

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post


    Balls-to-the-wall BigMutha Tannoys vs Quad 57 stats.

    Hmm. -- it's gonna be different for sure.

    I guess it all depends what you want.
    Yeah big bloated ballsy Tannoys vs Etheral transparent Quads! Quite different but I am sure they both create their own magic. I know which I would prefer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebottle View Post
    To say I was impressed is a total understatement. For those that have heard Marco's system, this was better (IMO).
    Lol! How does that old saying go again...? Ah yes... 'Self-praise is no honour'!

    Joking aside, there are so many massive differences/variables between the contents of the two systems (highlighted no more so than with the speakers alone), that any real comparison is just daft. It's all horses for courses, matey. Jerry's spot on (as usual).

    The most important thing is that you enjoyed what you heard, with Kevin's kit through your system, had a good time and learned something new. I must make an effort to visit you next year, as it would be an excuse for another holiday in France!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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