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  1. #11
    Join Date: Oct 2015

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    Have ordered
    AT MG10
    mpingo
    Heavier rider weight for 3012

    New belt from Turntable Basics
    Springs from Hanze to replace the motor grommets on the 124
    The above to try to eliminate or at least diminish rumble or whatever noise it is that is especially bad on one of my 124 s
    Will report back in due course
    Thorens td124 mk2 / Bokrand AB309/ 103r
    SLAT L75 / Jelco 850S / AT VM740ML
    Marantz CD63 / Bluesound / Musical Paradise 701 II/ ESP 500Hz eXO / PL Prologue 4 and Nord 1UP amps / JK Wynn semiactive NS1000 upgrade
    /ESP 700 Hz eXO / JBL 4333 components

  2. #12
    Join Date: Jan 2008

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    Nice one, Shahrin. Should be good!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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  3. #13
    Join Date: Oct 2015

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    Get some kip Marco
    Thorens td124 mk2 / Bokrand AB309/ 103r
    SLAT L75 / Jelco 850S / AT VM740ML
    Marantz CD63 / Bluesound / Musical Paradise 701 II/ ESP 500Hz eXO / PL Prologue 4 and Nord 1UP amps / JK Wynn semiactive NS1000 upgrade
    /ESP 700 Hz eXO / JBL 4333 components

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    Lol - was up listening to some choons, and it's the weekend, so a late one (early one?) is allowed... Time for zeds now, though!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


  5. #15
    Join Date: Dec 2015

    Location: melbourne

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    Hi Marcos,

    thanks for passing and sharing all your valuable experience in regards to sme 3012 s2 setup.

    Currently, im using a sme 3012 s2 with a spu g headshell and denon dl 103. It sounds alright to me but just wondering if you have previously tried out this combo and you comment is highly appreciated.

    Cheers! And a very happy new year to you.

    Kttiong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    As for counterweights, etc, my advice would be that what you're aiming for is to have the main one as close to the arm's pivot point as possible, thus reducing the vertical moment of inertia of the arm,
    Marco.
    I used this exact combination a few years ago and can confirm you need (i) extra headshell mass, as ever with the 103R, and (ii) an extra ( or heavier) counterweight and keep it close to the pivot as Marco says. If you just move the normal counterweight back, the 'give' in the rubbery bushings of the 3012 makes the whole thing sound slow with poor bass tone.
    I will also re-iterate my preference for 2.35 to 2.4g tracking for the 103R , counter to Marco , I have experimented many times over 15 years on this and the 103R sounds dead and toneless to me at 2.6g .

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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandPink View Post
    I used this exact combination a few years ago and can confirm you need (i) extra headshell mass, as ever with the 103R, and (ii) an extra ( or heavier) counterweight and keep it close to the pivot as Marco says. If you just move the normal counterweight back, the 'give' in the rubbery bushings of the 3012 makes the whole thing sound slow with poor bass tone.
    I will also re-iterate my preference for 2.35 to 2.4g tracking for the 103R , counter to Marco , I have experimented many times over 15 years on this and the 103R sounds dead and toneless to me at 2.6g .
    Ahhh... will try as per your advice. Ta.
    What about if to compare with other headshell eg AT as what Marco prefers? Any comparison?

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    I had the 103R sounding very good indeed in a low mass Mission 774 at 2.2 grams with a moderate amount of fluid damping, but that's a different story.

    In the SME, I'd reckon the heaviest and most rigid cast aluminium (not magnesium obviously) headshell you can find would be the way to go.
    It is impossible for anything digital to sound analogue, because it isn't analogue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    I had the 103R sounding very good indeed in a low mass Mission 774 at 2.2 grams with a moderate amount of fluid damping, but that's a different story.

    In the SME, I'd reckon the heaviest and most rigid cast aluminium (not magnesium obviously) headshell you can find would be the way to go.
    That's my current thinking with my SME s2 setup, the heavier the better?. Correct me if I'm wrong.

  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by kttiong View Post
    That's my current thinking with my SME s2 setup, the heavier the better?. Correct me if I'm wrong.
    I've never heard anybody complain about having too much headshell mass when using a 103.
    It is impossible for anything digital to sound analogue, because it isn't analogue!

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