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  1. #391
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    Was about to post in the week that I had cracked it with this set up, but I thought no, best not tempt fate.

    Nevertheless as I suspected something went wrong. In this case my Parasound CD player is now being picky about reading discs. It's never been completely right, I've always thought it might have a dodgy cap or something as it starts getting a bit of roughness in the sound after a coupe of hours, but it usually only starts towards the end of a session so I live with it. But it is now mucking me about too much.

    This is a huge shame as I don't have any working players that are as good. The Sony SACD player I have is okay but it puts that layer of phoney SACD 'smoothness' over everything. The Parasound gives significant extra clarity compared to it.

    Otherwise everything is chipper. The JM Lab speakers have grown on me enormously, The NVA LS5 speaker cable has really sorted the bass out, It still sounds a bit 'WAF tower-ey' but that issue is now much diminished. The Krell does its Krell-thing well, still can't get it to light up or get warm though. I don't think it really notices that it has some speakers to drive at all.

    More to the point the system sounds good with any type of music or recording you throw at it.

    So I'm pretty much almost there as to getting the sound I've been looking for across several decades. I thought I might be onto something when I borrowed that Tisbury passive off of Jerry, but that was just the start and it has been several years between now and then.

    I think if I can just get a working digital source that is equal to or better than the Parasound then you can put a fork in me because I'll be done. At the moment I'm torn between buying a top line Sony ES CD player or getting a transport and DAC. The latter would open up the exciting world of DAC box-swapping, but where to even start? Plus at the moment I only have 2 powered components in the system, so no need to use a mains block. CD player seems like the 'tidier' solution.

    Went a bit mad with the budget last year in the name of 'lashing harder' but it does seem to have paid dividends. So budget limited to about 500 tops for this, and could do with getting it right first time.
    Martin



    Current Lash Up:

    Technics SL1200 with Sumiko h/s & Nagaoka MP50 * Firebottle valve MM phono stage * Parasound CDPi1000 * NVA P90SA passive pre / Krell KSA50S Power amp * JM Lab Electra 926 loudspeakers *



    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S Thompson

  2. #392
    Join Date: Jan 2008

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    DAC.
    Right 1st time.

    Here ya go http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2724454149...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

    After literally years searching for my perfect DAC up to 2k rrp, I settled on that one for the last 18 months or so. I don't even bother to look seriously at anything else anymore. It just nails it for me.
    Available in silver or black.

    Get a Pioneer DV717 or similar as a transport.
    Sorted.
    250 or so the lot, max.
    -- well, it's worth a decent digital cable for another 20 or so. I'll be happy to recommend summat.
    Jerry

    Main systems:
    Spotify Premium streaming, Cambridge Audio 851D DAC, Pure Sound L10 pre, Pass X150 power amo. Speakers: MBL 116F. Cryo Silver i/c & Western Electric 16GA spkr cables. ProJect and Nordost Magus power cables

    Headphones: Fostex T50RP mk3, AKG 551, JBL Synchros S700, B&O H6, PSB M4U-1, B&O Form 2 & 2a and Sony XBA-H1 & SoundMagic E50 IEM headphones

    2nd system: Spotify Premium streaming / Pioneer DV-535, Audiolab MDAC, Black Cat power amp, Chario Syntar 100T speakers. Headphones: Beyerdynamic DT-150, SoundMagic E10 IEM headphones

    3rd system: Portable CD player, Kinter MA-180 T amp, Klegg Symphony 102 speakers

  3. #393
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    Seems to be a DAC and a pre-amp. I guess the preamp can be switched out of circuit?

    Still would have the transport to consider. I've got a DV717, it is okay but did not especially impress me as a transport into an XTZ integrated and a Sony AV amp. And I'm inclined to think that the transport matters as much, if not more than the DAC. What are your thoughts on that? I've got a QS Sony with fixed laser mech that is better than most as a transport. Not that the actual disc reading element matters that much, in theory at least. But there is other stuff going on in a transport in any case.

    Will keep it under consideration, thanks man.
    Martin



    Current Lash Up:

    Technics SL1200 with Sumiko h/s & Nagaoka MP50 * Firebottle valve MM phono stage * Parasound CDPi1000 * NVA P90SA passive pre / Krell KSA50S Power amp * JM Lab Electra 926 loudspeakers *



    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S Thompson

  4. #394
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    That DAC sounds amazing even with its on-board pre - I use it as is.

    The DAC is more important than the transport, but the DV717 or 737 are fantastic transports into a good DAC.
    Jerry

    Main systems:
    Spotify Premium streaming, Cambridge Audio 851D DAC, Pure Sound L10 pre, Pass X150 power amo. Speakers: MBL 116F. Cryo Silver i/c & Western Electric 16GA spkr cables. ProJect and Nordost Magus power cables

    Headphones: Fostex T50RP mk3, AKG 551, JBL Synchros S700, B&O H6, PSB M4U-1, B&O Form 2 & 2a and Sony XBA-H1 & SoundMagic E50 IEM headphones

    2nd system: Spotify Premium streaming / Pioneer DV-535, Audiolab MDAC, Black Cat power amp, Chario Syntar 100T speakers. Headphones: Beyerdynamic DT-150, SoundMagic E10 IEM headphones

    3rd system: Portable CD player, Kinter MA-180 T amp, Klegg Symphony 102 speakers

  5. #395
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    The pre is a deal breaker for me. I'm sticking with what I have in that regard. Since I stopped buying kit based on 'character' and started buying based on (what I think) are basic, solid audio engineering principles I've got a lot further towards what I want.

    Of course that may be just coincidence.
    Martin



    Current Lash Up:

    Technics SL1200 with Sumiko h/s & Nagaoka MP50 * Firebottle valve MM phono stage * Parasound CDPi1000 * NVA P90SA passive pre / Krell KSA50S Power amp * JM Lab Electra 926 loudspeakers *



    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S Thompson

  6. #396
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    I use a separate pre as well - sounds much better that way.
    But I can understand if a purist would object to double-pre-ing.
    I used to be a purist.
    But I've grown up now and just judge by results.
    Jerry

    Main systems:
    Spotify Premium streaming, Cambridge Audio 851D DAC, Pure Sound L10 pre, Pass X150 power amo. Speakers: MBL 116F. Cryo Silver i/c & Western Electric 16GA spkr cables. ProJect and Nordost Magus power cables

    Headphones: Fostex T50RP mk3, AKG 551, JBL Synchros S700, B&O H6, PSB M4U-1, B&O Form 2 & 2a and Sony XBA-H1 & SoundMagic E50 IEM headphones

    2nd system: Spotify Premium streaming / Pioneer DV-535, Audiolab MDAC, Black Cat power amp, Chario Syntar 100T speakers. Headphones: Beyerdynamic DT-150, SoundMagic E10 IEM headphones

    3rd system: Portable CD player, Kinter MA-180 T amp, Klegg Symphony 102 speakers

  7. #397
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    It may not matter. Depends on how they have it configured, and if the pot is analogue or digital.
    Martin



    Current Lash Up:

    Technics SL1200 with Sumiko h/s & Nagaoka MP50 * Firebottle valve MM phono stage * Parasound CDPi1000 * NVA P90SA passive pre / Krell KSA50S Power amp * JM Lab Electra 926 loudspeakers *



    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S Thompson

  8. #398
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    pot is just in headphone circuit. quite fancy one myself for main system but cant quite find a good enough reason. I would like to put my big Pioneer in but its not fitting in at moment either. Think the word is Apathy
    Regards,
    Grant ....
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  9. #399
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    pot is just in headphone circuit. quite fancy one myself for main system but cant quite find a good enough reason. I would like to put my big Pioneer in but its not fitting in at moment either. Think the word is Apathy
    Apathy is my default setting but I am so close now I can taste it. Why do you fancy getting one?
    Martin



    Current Lash Up:

    Technics SL1200 with Sumiko h/s & Nagaoka MP50 * Firebottle valve MM phono stage * Parasound CDPi1000 * NVA P90SA passive pre / Krell KSA50S Power amp * JM Lab Electra 926 loudspeakers *



    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S Thompson

  10. #400
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    was going to use it as a dac too plus a headphone amp for the vinyl. Not using a dac at moment; just my uber buffer.

    this I was going to put in livingroom but needs to be on top and no room at moment so it is waiting in the wings.

    while this is just for show at moment but I may move it on later

    Regards,
    Grant ....
    Sometimes incompetence is useful. It helps you keep an open mind.
    .... ..... ...... ...... ................... ..... ..... ..... ..... .....
    IMUTO TAURUS X4 BATTERY SUPPLY. - RPI2B & AUDIOPHONICS DAC running MOODE 3.7- TONBRUX BATTERY SUPPLY & CHROMECAST2 AUDIO DONGLE no1 - JBE SERIES 3 SLATEDECK & EMOTIVA XPS-1 PHONO - DENON DV2900 - TWIN PRO MONOBLOCK AMPLIFIERS. - XIANG SHENG DAC\PRE\HEADPHONE AMP. -AUDIO TECHNICA ATH-MSR7 & OPPO PM-3 PLANAR HEADPHONES - WIN10 JRIVER22, SPOTIFY PREMIUM- KINPS CABLES, SMSL M6 MINIDAC, CHROMECAST2 AUDIO DONGLE no2 POWERED BY ANKER BATTERY PSU - FULL RANGE TWIN & SINGLE TELEFUNKEN's - Q ACOUSTIC BT3 actives - CANTON SUB - TANDBERG TCD310 CASS - CARTS.. ACD xlm mk1 integra, AT95 Shibata, SHURE M55E original, JVC MD1029. - RCA CABLES BY BRIAN SPKR CABLES BY MOI HAIR BY MARCO FEET BY ELECTRICBEACH - MAINS REGENERATED BY POWERINSPIRED AND FILTERED BY BELKIN PUREAV.

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