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    Quote Originally Posted by eksiil View Post
    the Mega Micro's line stage was updated (among other things) in 2015. I don't actually know what was in there before, I had the seller ship it straight to Glenn Croft. I suspect the 12BH7As came with the overhaul (I sank £500 into it). He says it is now better than a 25R -- some of which presumably has to do with the 12 valves in the power supply unit & the four-way HT regulation... . though given the different topologies etc any comparisons with later models evoke apples & oranges.
    Can you kindly post some pics of the mega micro internals?
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    having just got the hang of Photobucket I might as well replace this post with proper pics of the insides of the two Mega Micro II boxes.

    the preamp:


    the PSU:


    some of the PSU valves slantwise:
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    Quote Originally Posted by eksiil View Post
    having just got the hang of Photobucket I might as well replace this post with proper pics of the insides of the two Mega Micro II boxes.

    the preamp:


    the PSU:


    some of the PSU valves slantwise:
    Wow, so many valves in the PSU box!

    I wonder whether you've ever considered asking Glenn to move the transformers to a separate box, like he does with the Micro25RS... I do not know whether that would yield a worthwhile improvement, at least one that would justify the cost.
    System1: Lenco L75 with custom plinth, SLAT, sph bearing, SG4 external power supply + Alfred Bokrand AB-309 tonearm + Denon DL103R (aluminum body) + Well Tempered 12" tonearm clone + Denon DL103R (wooden body), ASR Mini Basis Exclusive HV, Marantz CD6005, LAB12 DAC1 SE+, Hattor BIG passive + active pre, Lab12 Suono power amp, Falcon LS3/5a Gold Badge, LAB12 Gordian, Belden 8428, Black Cat Red Level Triode, LAB12 Knack MkII

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    Quote Originally Posted by pankon View Post
    Wow, so many valves in the PSU box!

    I wonder whether you've ever considered asking Glenn to move the transformers to a separate box, like he does with the Micro25RS... I do not know whether that would yield a worthwhile improvement, at least one that would justify the cost.
    the transformers are in a separate box. box no. 1 contains the 5 preamp valves. box no. 2 has the 12 regulator valves in the PSU. or do you mean a 3rd box?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eksiil View Post
    the transformers are in a separate box. box no. 1 contains the 5 preamp valves. box no. 2 has the 12 regulator valves in the PSU. or do you mean a 3rd box?
    Yes, Ahto, as a matter of fact, I was referring to a third box, which would completely isolate the transformers. It seems that you're not far from a no-compromise solution, so I am suggesting of some (theoretical?) further improvements, irrespective of cost. And perhaps you could also consider changing the Trigon ECC83 with something better (again theoretically...).

    Just my two pence -)
    System1: Lenco L75 with custom plinth, SLAT, sph bearing, SG4 external power supply + Alfred Bokrand AB-309 tonearm + Denon DL103R (aluminum body) + Well Tempered 12" tonearm clone + Denon DL103R (wooden body), ASR Mini Basis Exclusive HV, Marantz CD6005, LAB12 DAC1 SE+, Hattor BIG passive + active pre, Lab12 Suono power amp, Falcon LS3/5a Gold Badge, LAB12 Gordian, Belden 8428, Black Cat Red Level Triode, LAB12 Knack MkII

    System 2: Roksan Xerxes original (HiFi Inspire plinth) with Maxon ReMax motor + Audiomods Series6 + Ortofon Cadenza Black microridge retipped, ASR Mini Basis Exclusive, Marantz CD6003, Croft Micro25R + Series7R monoblocks (110W/ea), Harbeth SHL5 Plus 40th Anniv.

    System 3: Marantz CD6003, Croft SuperMicroII ('R' spec by Croft, Tesla E83CC in phono)+ Series7, Snell Type EII (with bypass caps, new internal wiring, WBT nextgen 0703Cu), Mark Grant HDX1, Atlas Hyper 3.0

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    I don't think Croft has ever gone as far as three boxes. would it make practical sense? I must profess utter cluelessness here. it's an interesting thought though, thanks.

    the Trigons remain as much an affectation (Indian Mullards, after all) as an imposition till I can justify the cost of something better.

    Quote Originally Posted by pankon View Post
    Yes, Ahto, as a matter of fact, I was referring to a third box, which would completely isolate the transformers. It seems that you're not far from a no-compromise solution, so I am suggesting of some (theoretical?) further improvements, irrespective of cost. And perhaps you could also consider changing the Trigon ECC83 with something better (again theoretically...).

    Just my two pence -)
    Lenco L75 in a very heavy plinth /Hadcock 228 /London Decca Blue /Croft SMA IV Octal with separate 2020 PSU/ Croft 7R monos /Harbeth SHL5

    Fletcher .3 /Hadcock 228 / Denon 103R/ Croft HeadAmp /Croft Mega Micro II (2015) /Croft Series 5 MkIi /Markaudio SOTA Cesti B

    Leak Troughline III GTA / Vecteur D-2.2 / Wadia 121 / Katana, Isolator & RPi /RFC & AntiCable

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