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    Decided to change a few cables and lengths etc too and from the SUT. Wow the sound has changed and much for the better.

    The K&K SUT now sounds more dynamic and the soundstage a tad bigger. Glorious open sound with no grain at all, super smooth presentation especially on vocals. Bass is deeper and the whole sound is fuller.

    I must say the Denon 301 Mk2 now sounds absolutely superb!

    Can anyone tell me if this the affect of capacitance change on the cartridge loading or the SUT or both?
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    Any capacitance change on the input of the SUT, i.e. loading the cartridge, from swapping leads is going to have no effect, due to the change being small and the inductance of the cartridge.

    Capacitance change on the output however is going to have an effect due to the higher impedance on the output.

    It appears things are getting better and better

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    Good stuff, Jim. I should've said that you should always keep the length of output cables, on SUTs, to an absolute minimum. In that respect, I use 0.5m cables, max. I was surprised that you thought your head amp was 'more dynamic' sounding than the K&K, implying that the latter was a little 'soft' in comparison.

    That really shouldn't be the case when set up has been optimised, so hopefully your cable rearranging has sorted that out

    Marco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebottle View Post
    Any capacitance change on the input of the SUT, i.e. loading the cartridge, from swapping leads is going to have no effect, due to the change being small and the inductance of the cartridge.

    Capacitance change on the output however is going to have an effect due to the higher impedance on the output.

    It appears things are getting better and better
    Yes I think the cartridge has fully run in now and getting some very musical tunes out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Good stuff, Jim. I should've said that you should always keep the length of output cables, on SUTs, to an absolute minimum. In that respect, I use 0.5m cables, max. I was surprised that you thought your head amp was 'more dynamic' sounding than the K&K, implying that the latter was a little 'soft' in comparison.

    That really shouldn't be the case when set up has been optimised, so hopefully your cable rearranging has sorted that out

    Marco.

    Yes the cable and has sorted the SUT for sure although I could probably use a shorter one going into the SUT.

    Dynamics are on a par with the head amp but I would say the SUT has less grain and a smoother sound than the head amp. Very musical and a superb match to the 301 - thanks for the help with that Marco!:

    Interestingly the difference changing the SUT gain level from 1:20 to 1:10 has made a huge difference. At 1:20 the 301 was difficult to listen too. My friend who also tried the SUT at both gain levels also found this to be the case even though technically his cartridge should have 1:26 gain!

    I am getting very beautiful music from this set up now -as you predicted!
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    I've just managed to buy a low hours one off eBay to try so I'm hoping for a similar result

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyb View Post
    I've just managed to buy a low hours one off eBay to try so I'm hoping for a similar result
    Are you using a Head amp by any chance with the 301.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Yes the cable and has sorted the SUT for sure although I could probably use a shorter one going into the SUT.

    Dynamics are on a par with the head amp but I would say the SUT has less grain and a smoother sound than the head amp. Very musical and a superb match to the 301 - thanks for the help with that Marco!:

    Interestingly the difference changing the SUT gain level from 1:20 to 1:10 has made a huge difference. At 1:20 the 301 was difficult to listen too. My friend who also tried the SUT at both gain levels also found this to be the case even though technically his cartridge should have 1:26 gain!

    I am getting very beautiful music from this set up now -as you predicted!
    Just read this, mate. Glad it's all worked out well!

    Marco.
    "A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do". - Milan Kundera.

    "Your validity or worth are not defined or determined by the views of others with their own superimposed agendas". - Pharos (on AoS)

    My system:

    Modified Technics SL-1210MK5G/Mike New high-precision bearing & baseplate/Mike New ETP platter/Bruil record weight/Nagaoka GL602 crystal T/T mat. Paul Hynes SR7EHD PSU (plus regulator modules)/DCSXL pure-silver DC lead. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm/'Speedy Steve' custom-made Ebony armboard. Yannis Tome 423.5 Phono Silver-Litz tonearm cable, with Furutech CF-DIN(R) and Eichmann silver Bullet Plugs. Cartridges: Denon DL-S1 in AT MG-10 headshell with AT-6106 Quattro Hybrid lead-wire. Denon DL-103C1 in '103U' headshell with AT-609 silver lead-wire. Vintage Denon DL-103AU in AT-Ti15ANV Titanium Headshell. Shure M55E in Denon PCL-300 headshell with 6N silver lead-wire. Shure original USA SC35C. Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 transport/DAC. Raspberry Pi-3 Model B and IQaudio Pi-DAC+/Paul Hynes SR3DR-05 linear PSU/Williams Audio NAS linear PSU. Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X preamp. Modified Goldpoint SA4M-47 passive preamp. Stereo Coffee LDR. Head-amp: Paul Hynes design/SR5 PSU. Also modified Lentek. Tube Distinctions 50W Class A P/P Copper amp with cryo-treated Tung Sol KT150s. Speakers: 'Lockwood Majors', using 15" Tannoy Monitor Golds, modified with bespoke crossovers. Also Celestion Ditton 15XRs. Stands: Mana Acoustics (non-magnetic stainless steel 'clones’). Hi-Fi Racks Podium T/T wall shelf. Sony ST-5055L tuner. Cables: Furukawa EE/F-S 2mm & 2.6mm solid-core mains leads, fitted with Furutech FI-50 IECs and FI-1363Rs. Stereo interconnects: Sommer Carbokab 225 (with silver-plated MS Audio non-metallic POM RCAs). Speaker cable: VDH 'The Wind' Hybrid II. Digital coaxial cable: 1m Trompeter Electronics Triax TRC-75-2, with MS Audio ‘Starline' silver-plated RCAs. Mains block: Mark Grant 6-way, modded with Furutech FP-1363R sockets and Furukawa cable. Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW 16.5 record cleaner.

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    I will be treating myself to a 301 later in the year.
    I am just waiting for one to come up at the correct price from a trusted vendor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Are you using a Head amp by any chance with the 301.?
    I've just received a loan of the Firebottle one, so hoping the cart arrives before I need to pass it on.

    It's certainly sounding good with my Zu 103 and mm input on my amp, I'm hoping for more of the same if not better with the 301. I have a new headshell to try with the 301 that won't accept the 103 due to no through thread on the shell.

    I'll update once all setup.

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