The Black Crystals - OOoOoOoOoOOoooh!

[Barry]

Try these then. I did. http://madscientist-audio.com/magic-tubes/ I decided to take them up on their free trial offer (£5 p+p) before dismissing them.

Hmmm - a "mysterious mix of black and white powders" that have to be sealed in a tube because they will degrade in air. Well that could be anything hygroscopic: magnesia, baking powder, etc. for the white powder and say ground pepper for the black.

Seriously though, where do you draw the line between "you can't comment until you have tried them" and accepting an item just because the manufacturer is thinking outside the box and whilst unconventional, has genuine merit?

[Barry]

Another thread of taking the piss of stuff no one has actually tried I shouldn't be surprised, but just once it would be refreshing that someone who had actually tried a thing offered an opinion, based on experience not guess work and 'well it can't be therefore it isn't' thoughts/opinions.

And to be clear I am not defending Walker Audio, the company, the products, but just the thought that posting based on first hand experience might be a better thing, than posting with no actual experience.

Sorry Josie but I grow tired of these zero-experience posts/threads.

So why don't you try some Neil and let us know?

[awkwardbydesign]

It looks like the offer has ended. Give me your address Neil, and I'll post you my pair to try. As long as you post them back. Or I could post them to you Barry; I have your address.

[walpurgis]

And to be clear I am not defending Walker Audio, the company, the products, but just the thought that posting based on first hand experience might be a better thing, than posting with no actual experience.

Sorry Josie but I grow tired of these zero-experience posts/threads.

I suspect most of us will remain "zero-experience" Neil. There's no way I'm spending money on products that have fanciful claims made about them, that seem to offer no basis in logic or science (let alone common sense).

[Barry]

It looks like the offer has ended. Give me your address Neil, and I'll post you my pair to try. As long as you post them back. Or I could post them to you Barry; I have your address.

That's a kind offer Richard - but in all honesty I don't think I could be sufficiently impartial to give them a fair listening. This is one of those products that seem to me to be so absurd that I'm not going to waste my time with it. Now if it was a cable .....

[Spectral Morn]

It looks like the offer has ended. Give me your address Neil, and I'll post you my pair to try. As long as you post them back. Or I could post them to you Barry; I have your address.

Ok Richard, I am up for that. I will Pm you my details, and yes you will get them, it back.

[Spectral Morn]

I suspect most of us will remain "zero-experience" Neil. There's no way I'm spending money on products that have fanciful claims made about them, that seem to offer no basis in logic or science (let alone common sense).

Hi Geoff

I don't disagree, but not everything in audio makes sense, or is explainable and yet wacky stuff can and does makes differences. My issue though is taking the piss or dismissive comments with no experience to back them up.

[RichB]

I found this earlier.

Sounds very dark and dramatic...

From Walker Audio. You stick em on yo cart and it relieves you of $645.

Sorry to sound Cynical and I apologise if you swear by them... lol - But it just made me laugh. The photos just look mental.

https://walkeraudio.com/shop/crystal/

What fresh hell is this?

[Marco]

I suspect most of us will remain "zero-experience" Neil. There's no way I'm spending money on products that have fanciful claims made about them, that seem to offer no basis in logic or science (let alone common sense).

+1.

When there exists no possible physical mechanism to effect change, and instead you're simply relying on the powers of suggestion/mind games (which is ALL that could possibly cause any perceived effect with these "black crystals"), then it's entirely justified to cry 'BULLSHIT' - and I'm about one of the most diehard and rabid subjectivists you'll meet!

Sorry, Neil, some stuff deserves to be dismissed for the nonsense that it is.

Marco.

[Spectral Morn]

+1.

When there exists no possible physical mechanism to effect change, and instead you're simply relying on the powers of suggestion/mind games (which is ALL that could possibly cause any perceived effect with these "black crystals"), then it's entirely justified to cry 'BULLSHIT' - and I'm about one of the most diehard and rabid subjectivists you'll meet!

Sorry, Neil, some stuff deserves to be dismissed for the nonsense that it is.

Marco.

'More things in Heaven and earth than dreamt of in your philosophy Horatio'