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Thread: MM Cartridge less clinical sounding than a 2m black?

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    Have you compared an M20FL jico to the original stylus?
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    Id probably like a newer "plug in and play" option rather than having to buy a separate body and stylus tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Tait View Post
    Have you compared an M20FL jico to the original stylus?
    I haven't. Fortunately there's a few NOS stylus still available, expensive though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoidburg View Post
    Id probably like a newer "plug in and play" option rather than having to buy a separate body and stylus tbh.
    Nagoaka MP500 then.

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    I may be selling my Nagaoka MP500, brand new, boxed, unused. PM if interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aniki View Post
    Accurate sounding; I would say.
    Sorry, I beg to differ. That is if we're talking about 'accurate', in terms of what real instruments and voices sound like, as opposed to how they are purported to do on paper...

    Dave's spot on about the 2M range: it's all rather sterile and hi-fi sounding.

    Ben, go for a Nagaoka, or as Peter says, an AN, and you won't look back. Or if you fancy going the vintage route, then track down a Shure M55E, and fit a Jico SAS stylus to it.. Btw, how did you get on with that SMR-Tech record clamp? You never did say.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Sorry, I beg to differ. That is if we're talking about 'accurate', in terms of what real instruments and voices sound like, as opposed to how they are purported to do on paper...

    Dave's spot on about the 2M range: it's all rather sterile and hi-fi sounding.

    Ben, go for a Nagaoka, or as Peter says, an AN, and you won't look back. Or if you fancy going the vintage route, then track down a Shure M55E, and fit a Jico SAS stylus to it.. Btw, how did you get on with that SMR-Tech record clamp? You never did say.....

    Marco.
    I beg to differ too and for fear of going round in circles. Had the Blue but my experience of the Black in particular was definately not sterile when set up properly. What I mean by properly is when it's stylus profile is comfortably and correctly set for want of better discriptive. I also found its accuracy and presentation of texture timbre and vocals first rate as expressed in an abundance of places on the net, customers, reviews, forums and so on. It is well known that set up is critical with the Black otherwise it will display negatives traits such as harshness, clinical etc . It doesn't help IME that it can be a PITA to set up and get right. Again, each user will have their own experience. I know the ones I've had with it and why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Sorry, I beg to differ. That is if we're talking about 'accurate', in terms of what real instruments and voices sound like, as opposed to how they are purported to do on paper...

    Dave's spot on about the 2M range: it's all rather sterile and hi-fi sounding.

    Ben, go for a Nagaoka, or as Peter says, an AN, and you won't look back. Or if you fancy going the vintage route, then track down a Shure M55E, and fit a Jico SAS stylus to it.. Btw, how did you get on with that SMR-Tech record clamp? You never did say.....

    Marco.
    Hi Marco,

    Thanks for the imput mate, im going to have a good read up on the Nags and the AN's this evening ( the nags seems to be a bit more prevelent on the 2nd hand market i think so that may sway it)

    As for the SRM clamp I have to be honest and say i cant tell any real difference with it on or off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ellensdad View Post
    I haven't. Fortunately there's a few NOS stylus still available, expensive though.
    Bought one from here, seemed a good price-

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    2M Black is a really good MM cart IMHO. One of the best. It can work better with slightly non standard loading according to tests elsewhere on the web. About 33K and very low capacitance from memory makes for a flatter top end with no rise and then dip at high frequencies. I supplied a few Arkless 640P's with loading set like this for 2M's.

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