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    Default A super session round at Jimbos

    It has been on the cards for quite a while so I was very pleased when James found time for another visit.
    I had amassed quite a few bits and pieces to take round, particularly as we now both have a Lenco GL75.

    James confirmed that I am the only AoS member that has heard his system, so let me share my appraisal. It is very very good.

    The beauty is that every component works brilliantly with every other, along the lines of Marcos thinking to aim for matching performance in every link in the chain.
    The VPI TT is the 'rock' that underpins the system, not the cheapest but not the dearest TT around, but quality.

    The Croft amplification works brilliantly and, having been improved along the way by James, is of matching performance for the system as a whole.
    The speakers, IMHO, are an under rated model, judging from comments I have read in the past.

    They are Spendor SP2 Mark 1 (I believe) and as far as I can ascertain took a downward turn in the Mark 2. When I first heard them I was impressed enough to say to James that I wanted to have first refusal if ever he sold them. Their image presentation is wonderful.

    Now to comparisons and first listens.
    This was my first exposure to the Shure M55 along with Jico SAS stylus. If your eyesight isn't that good you just have to believe that there is a diamond on the end of the (short) cantilever, it is minute.

    One word - stunning. Two words - absolute bargain. Oodles of musicality and detail. Well done everyone that has bagged one, get yourselves a Jico stylus.

    Next came a very interesting comparison for me, my Firebottle AIR power amp and James Croft 7, the amplifier that inspired the AIR development.
    Both amplifiers are hybrid topology and similar in execution, let's be honest how many different ways are there to combine a valve driver stage with a MOSFET output stage?

    The similarity in sound was uncanny but there were very small differences. The Croft has a smidgen more depth to the image whereas the AIR had a bit more grip and heft in the bass.

    Now to the GL75 bake off. I had brought with me a couple of Lenco headshells fitted with different cartridges so we had 3 to chop and change.
    The KIN preamp was plumbed in so that we had MM and MC capability.

    First off was James's stock AT95E, as an entry level cart a very respectable performance. Even at this level the 'drive' imparted by the Lenco idler drive was apparent.
    Next up was my Acutex 312, a fairly considerable improvement in sound, more open and dynamic.

    Lastly an MC was introduced, the first in James's system, my Ortofon Samba, the mid offering of the budget Tango/Samba/Salsa range. Priced at £100/150/200 this is the budget end of MC's but a good jump in clarity and detail over the MM cartridges.

    So of all the carts tried the Samba gave the best performance which bodes well for the imminent delivery of the 301 that James has ordered.


    The usual 'hifi' discussions were enjoyed and I thank James for providing a very nice lunch, plus great coffee throughout

    James did take a couple of photos so over to you mate.
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    It sounds like you have had another good session.

    I thought your Acutex was a 312?
    Kevin

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    Well it was a pleasure to have Mr Firebottle round for another session and as always the time was too short and we only managed to skim through a small amount of vinyl but we hooked up a fair bit of kit, one item of which Alan did not mention however I will attach pics

    Thanks also for bringing so much equipment with you Alan and nice to see the prototype Vivant although I think this still has to be finalised? I am sure the finished Phono stage will be the pinnacle of the Firebottle Phono range.

    I think Alan has captured the session and our thoughts on the equipment used very well however I would like to add a few comments of my own.

    I had left my system hooked up with the VPI running the M55e /JICO SAS cartridge so we kicked off with that and I am glad Alan has been a witness to its capabilities of which I have mentioned just a little in other posts
    This combination really is worth seeking out as both of us felt it was a stunning cartridge/stylus! It still shocks me how good it is and all for a bargain £175. Alan has a very good audio memory and I think even he would agree it is a superb alternative to the 2M black I previously used or any other MM out there - thanks Marco for suggesting this route

    We then moved onto the Air swapping out the Croft 7. The Air is currently cheaper and delivers very much the same sonic experience of the Croft 7. We were splitting hairs in any differences found and if I was in the market for a 90w power amp the AIR would be snapped up straight away. Fantastic build quality and amazing performance for the price.

    Next up I think was the Lenco GL75 which had a bit of surgery curtesy of Mr Firebottle. The captive RCA plugs were probably the puniest poor quality we had ever seen in the audio world (photo below) so Alan popped on some spare MS audio plugs I had knocking around. These although not ideal did the trick. I had spent some time cleaning and oiling the Lenco and have been mightly impressed with this TT although I have only used it a little. We swapped out the VPI and listened to 2 very moderately priced MM cartridges and the only MC cartridge we had (Ortofon Samba). Alan has given a great account of our findings so I wont go into any more detail.

    This TT is in very good nick with original arm and sounded superb with great drive and rock solid stability. I would say if I did not have the VPI I could very happily live with this. I think they are greatly underrated, mine was £50+ AT95e £20 - £70 all in - Try and beat that for SPPV!

    Now for the Ortofon MC we had to use the Firebottle KIN which Alan just happened to have with him. I heard this when it was first built but since then Alan has tweaked it a little.

    This is a stunning Preamp with a fabulous MC stage. I feel it has more transparency and air than the Croft 25R and I would have no doubt about purchasing this preamp, it really is superb. The phono stage upgrade Alan has done is one of the best I have heard so cant wait to hear the stand alone phono version of this when he launches the Vivant!

    Whilst we were messing with the MC cartridge Alan did have another small box with him - A head amp. This device was assembled from Alans spare parts bin and did the job but was blown away by the KIN. It was in no way a serious attempt by Alan at a head amp but I hoping when he has time he will put one together with his usual flair and consideration for choice components. The design concept is very interesting and I,m sure if Alan does build one it will be a giant killer and compete with anything out there!

    The afternoon ended with the Lenco GL75 playing through the AIR and KIN via the Spendors and I must it sounded superb.

    Music listened to:

    Keb Mo - Keb Mo
    Harry Connick Junior - We are in love
    Stevie Ray Vaughan - couldnt stand the weather
    Boris Blank and Malia - Convergance
    Rodrigo and Gabriella
    Louis Armstrong - Satchmo plays King Oliver.

    My thoughts at the end of the session were that there is some stunningly great equipment out there which can deliver fantastic audio performance and a very moderate price. You don,t have to spend a fortune to reach sonic nirvana!

    Alans amplifiers are truly great hand built gems that can compete with far higher priced equipment. Most importantly they deliver music and in my case the vinyl experience in all its musical, rich detailed analogue sound. Very addictive and a no brainer if your in the market for a power amp, preamp or phono stage.


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    Main system : VPI Scout 1.1 / JMW 9T / 2M Black / Croft 25R+ / Croft 7 / Heco Celan GT 702

    Second System : Goldring Lenco GL75 / AT95EX / Pioneer SX590 / Spendor SP2

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    Quote Originally Posted by CageyH View Post
    I thought your Acutex was a 312?
    Aye you're right, the cartridge in this session was a 312. I do also have a 412 which is on my other TT.

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    Interesting stuff, guys! Glad you had a good sesh, and will comment more later

    Alan, what did you think of the M55E's, so-called, "lack of treble extension"?

    Marco.

    P.S These are about the shittiest looking plugs (and cables) I've ever seen:





    Whatever they belong to, rip 'em off and get 'em sorted - and that's an order!
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Interesting stuff, guys! Glad you had a good sesh, and will comment more later

    Alan, what did you think of the M55E's, so-called, "lack of treble extension"?

    Marco.

    P.S These are about the shittiest looking plugs (and cables) I've ever seen:





    Whatever they belong to, rip 'em off and get 'em sorted - and that's an order!
    Hi Marco, your order has already been obeyed.

    Alan kindly soldered some MS Audio plugs on to replace them, not ideal but a vast improvement! I think these plugs ought to start a new galley for the worst hifi components in history!
    Main system : VPI Scout 1.1 / JMW 9T / 2M Black / Croft 25R+ / Croft 7 / Heco Celan GT 702

    Second System : Goldring Lenco GL75 / AT95EX / Pioneer SX590 / Spendor SP2

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    Well done - they were well skanky! What were they fitted on - the tonearm lead for the Lenco?

    TBH, the cable doesn't look up to much either, so to do the job right, you'd be better off fitting a whole new lead. That's definitely one area of audio where MAJOR advances have been made in recent times!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Alan, what did you think of the M55E's, so-called, "lack of treble extension"?

    Marco.
    I'm sorry, what lack

    Don't forget James has the Jico stylus, there was no lack of extension. As far as we were concerned it was playing what was on the record, plus a very quiet background.

    It was almost like the Jico was glued to the groove walls
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    Cool.

    Did you also get to hear the Shure with its NOS stylus, and if so, what would your comments be, in terms of "treble extension"?

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    I did not have the Shure with the NOS stylus set up unfortunately Marco. Alan only heard the Shure /JICO SAS.

    I have been impressed with the M55e with NOS Shure stylus but cant go back after listening to the SAS. This combination in my system is truly stunning as Alan found out.

    However as the day proceeded it was interesting to hear how the other cartridges compared albeit on the Lenco GL75, which I must say is a seriously good sounding TT and almost up to the VPI in terms of level of playback.

    The At95e sounded pleasant enough but was easily beaten by the Acutex but neither where anywhere as good as the Shure/ SAS or I would say the Shure NOS stylus. But the Ortofon Salsa MC as Alan mentioned took everything to another level beyond the Shure/SAS. Unfortunately time was running out and we only played a couple of tracks with this cartridge but they were enough to tell me that it is a great cartridge for £100 which was I think what Alan paid for it?

    If this is a glimpse of what is to come when I get the Denon 301 MC set up in the VPI, like you said in your message, I will be in vinyl heaven!
    Main system : VPI Scout 1.1 / JMW 9T / 2M Black / Croft 25R+ / Croft 7 / Heco Celan GT 702

    Second System : Goldring Lenco GL75 / AT95EX / Pioneer SX590 / Spendor SP2

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