Banning

[Haselsh1]

Back in the eighties myself and three friends tested the Belt electret foils and came up with some very positive results. These foils radically changed the sound of the CD's we treated using a Cambridge CD2. All four of us concluded that they worked.

[Stratmangler]

Back in the eighties myself and three friends tested the Belt electret foils and came up with some very positive results. These foils radically changed the sound of the CD's we treated using a Cambridge CD2. All four of us concluded that they worked.

And do you still use these foils ? If not, why not ?

Chris

[Haselsh1]

Hey, we got some foils many years back as a bit of a tester, I have no idea where they came from. I know it must have been around 1989. After carefully cutting them to the required shape we used them on a variety of CD's and the results for us four were conclusive. Christ, one of the CD's was a Status Quo album...!

Having moved on since those days and having said 'Cheers' to those friends I no longer use anything by PWB. I still find his 'preachings' very interesting though. I never forgot those findings.

[Stratmangler]

I used the green pens (not provided by PWB) for a while, and was sure that the sound from CD was better as a result. Then one day I couldn't find the then current pen, and never got around to replacing it. I suppose that that item requires some re-investigation.

Chris

[Themis]

Imho, pre-ASRC dacs had inherent design problems, making them abnormally sensitive to transport data quality.
Modern dacs and players are less sensitive to pens.

[Marco]

The green pen thing works to a small degree (I've tried it in the past) - it's to do with preventing light scattering around the edges of the disc (or something like that). I've heard the effect, and there seems to be a reasonable mechanism behind why it should work, unlike 'IF devices' and putting cream on lightbulbs

However, who can be arsed colouring all their CDs with a green pen to get a miniscule sonic improvement, not to mention that it devalues your discs should you ever wish to sell them?

It's getting into this sort of ridiculous, obsessive, 'tweaky' mindset with hi-fi that I feel is a dangerous thing and completely counterproductive to one's enjoyment of music, which is what this hobby of ours is ultimately supposed to be about.

Nope, by all means invest some time and money in setting up your system properly with regard to proper equipment supports, cables, etc, as these are all fundamental in enabling your equipment to perform optimally, but leave the 'Beltist' nonsense where it belongs - in the la-la land of the fantasists!

Marco.

[The Vinyl Adventure]

It's getting into this sort of ridiculous, obsessive, 'tweaky' mindset with hi-fi that I feel is a dangerous thing and completely counterproductive to one's enjoyment of music, which is what this hobby of ours is ultimately supposed to be about.

Marco.

that was literally my first gut response to all this beltism stuff (I think I posted acordingly but I can't be bothered to go wading through those threads)... Works or not works ... You could go mad tweeking, untweeking, doing all the tiny little devices .. And to what end? Well I think shippy is the perfect example! I recon he has literally driven him self into obsesion! He has spent so long worrying and thinking and probably dreaming about this stuff that it's turned him into a maniac that trawls the Internet picking fights with any one who doesn't belive!

[The Vinyl Adventure]

Actually, I don't know if anyone remembers, but I asked him if it could work because he beleives it works, he went tits at me saying it's not a "belief" it's a "science" ... Then towards the end of his rambleings he repeatedly refered to it as a belief! I was tempted to call him up on it but couldn't be bothered in the end

[Marco]

that was literally my first gut response to all this beltism stuff (I think I posted acordingly but I can't be bothered to go wading through those threads)... Works or not works ... You could go mad tweeking, untweeking, doing all the tiny little devices .. And to what end? Well I think shippy is the perfect example! I recon he has literally driven him self into obsesion! He has spent so long worrying and thinking and probably dreaming about this stuff that it's turned him into a maniac that trawls the Internet picking fights with any one who doesn't belive!

I think you could potentially make as good a psychologist as you do a photographer, Hamish

Marco.

[DSJR]

I still have many discs with green or black felt pen around them. I think the reasoning behind it was nullified to an extent as CD transports and the discs themselves were "improved."

I still have one Judi Tzuke CD (Left Hand Talking) which needed all the help it could get to sound as emotionally intense as the vinyl did. I think the myriad of Beltish tweaks it still has on it have worked quite well...