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I'm Bob.
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Wow Bob, what an amazing life you must lead, nothing better to do than go on a forum on a Sunday morning and take the piss out of people enjoying a hobby. Or do do you live with someone who put a gun to your head and made you do it? What a numpty.
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Frankly I am sick of this disrespectful attitude displayed all over audio forums.
What does this add to learning and understanding ? What does this add to folks getting more from their music collections ? What does this add to harmony and tolerance of varying opinions ? It adds nothing, zero, just stirs and creates bad feeling.
Regards Neil
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I'm Bob.
No Bob
It is you that are being rude. This is potentially offensive as it stirs and takes the piss out of folks who sit to the subjectavist side of things. Those who hear differences in cables etc. Frankly the use of the word placebo is something I personally dislike very intensely where smug objectavists piss all over valid listening experiences by inserting the placebo insult.
Regards Neil
Well I think it's funny. Taking this hobby too seriously is a good way to lose all the enjoyment from it.
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I have been accused of not having a sense of humour, not true I do, but in this I see a potential for flames not anything of light. I recall a few years ago a picture put up similar, but pandering to the stereotypical way men use gear and how women use gear, it ended in flames. The picture was of an amplifier with knobs and buttons labelled to reflect those stereotypes.
I see that picture as a piss take and insult to those who put listening first.
But if Paul and I are alone in thinking that, fair enough.
Regards Neil
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I am often taken aback on how sensitive some issues are in hifi... its sometimes like trying to discuss religion with certain people.
Another subject that generates rude remarks is the one about Ethernet / USB cables, DAC's and basically anything that was invented after the 1960's ok maybe 1980's (edit)
For me, this sort of thing highlights how we all interpret what we see in front of us differently - and much will depend on mood... When I saw it, I laughed, so that was my reaction.
However, given the amount of piss-taking on forums, in reference to 'foo' (a word I hate intensely), because unlike 'placebo effect', which is a recognised and accepted phenomenon (although not always applicable where it's used), it's a purely derogatory term coined by those who simply won't accept that not everything that people genuinely hear can currently be measured, I can also understand Paul and Neil's reaction, as many folks are fed up having their valid observations automatically, and thus rudely dismissed as 'imagined'.
However, the key question is: did Bob mean any malice by posting what he did? I sincerely suspect not, and just thought it was something funny to post, to lighten up a dull Sunday morning, which unfortunately was taken the wrong way.
Am I right, Bob?
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I thought it amusing. I really can't see how it could be construed as insulting. It just looked a bit of fun to me.
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