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    Default Visit to Non-Smoking Man to hear his 5-way horn system

    Jack 'Non-Smoking Man' is only up the road from me in Bracknell and he's been to mine on a number of occasions, but while I've picked stuff up/dropped stuff off at his, I've never managed to hear his system - till last night.

    It's a five-way horn setup which made up part of the famous collaborative system at Scalford a couple of years back. He has it powered by an eclectic mix of amps, most crucially with an EL34 single ended and KT88 PP amp on two of the mid-range drivers, and a really interesting electronic (i.e., not digital) crossover.

    I'm not one to get into the technicalities of horns but there's a rightness about Jack's setup which quite a few horn systems I've heard don't have. While some prioritise detail, or top to bottom frequency response, or holographic imaging, Jack has somehow majored on something that's often forgotten - musicality. While it's not short on all those hifi virtues, what it has in spades is a naturalness, an easy listening quality that's quite remarkable.

    I found this especially when we played some harpsichord music (the Nonesuch recording or Bach's 14 canons, one of my all-time favourties). Harpsichord can be hard to reproduce and its characteristics can grate if done badly, but if you've had a harpsichord in your living room (as I've had) or been to lots of early music concerts (er… as I have) you also know that beyond that (literally) plucky, abrasive quality which can be annoying in the wrong setup, there's a harmonic richness, a 'harmony', that is devilishly difficult to reproduce. Well, Jack's setup manages it wonderfully.

    It helps that it's fed properly - Jack's Cranfield Rock, with Alphason HR100S and Cadenza Blue, sounded pretty much exactly like my old Rock Reference. What a cracking turntable. No digital nasties here.

    We played quite a bit of my stuff including some late Brubeck (some fab fretless bass work by Dave Brubeck's son, Chris) and some Dowland lute songs with the sparkling Emma Kirkby (a flame-haired Beatrice to me in my adolescence, which makes me feel a little old now as she's just turned 66!).

    Jack also shared some of his musical passion for Blues .. a new avenue for me but I came away with a couple to look out for and plans to go back to investigate more of his collection.

    And this is the secret, I suspect. When I'm working on my system I don't endeavour to make good hifi, I'm trying to find something capable of playing cantatas, Lieder and chamber music with full expression and emotion (a tactic which co-incidentally usually leads to a good job with other genres as well …). Blues on Jack's setup (for example, one delta blues record, astonishingly, recorded with just one mic) sounds like you are at a room-sized gig. Glorious.

    Anyway what we have here is a horn system that doesn't sound like a 'horn system'. Rather, it sounds like music. Which is kind of the point.
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    Thanks Tom - you've been very complimentary there. (Tom is an education re classical music and I really enjoyed the vinyl he brought over.)
    The crossover is an Ashly XR4001 and is a 4 way analogue device with 24db slopes made in the USA. The system didnt cost a fortune to put together and every single item was bought on the used market. Much of the horn speaker array I inherited from our very own Speedysteve. I will try to get some pictures posted.
    Jack

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    I agree totally with the sentiments here...the aim is always music, not 'hi fi'. They seem to be a very successful design, horns can be great, but often aren't!

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    Always good to hear of these little get-togethers taking place. Seems like you guys had fun - nice one... The Rock is a lovely T/T.

    Look forward to seeing the pics!

    Marco.
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    No ordinary Rock, Marco, the original Cranfield Rock has all the attributes (in terms of deadening mass and substantial suspension bellows) of the much later Rock Reference, barring the electronic controls (which on my old RR were a bit flaky, as you'd expect 30 years on).

    The mass produced Rock II while a great deck was a cut-down version of the original Cranfield concept. Add in an Alphason HR100S which by any standard is better than the Mk1 Excalibur generally fitted to the RR, and Jack's setup is about as well sorted a TT as you'll find.

    This from a dyed-in-the-wool idler fan as well ..... Jack has a couple of TD124s available to him but the Cranfield is, in the fabled words of Rolls Royce, 'more than adequate'.

    I must admit I was also taken with the Cadenza Blue, I had an Ortofon Jubilee some years ago and it's certainly at the same sort of level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    No ordinary Rock, Marco, the original Cranfield Rock has all the attributes (in terms of deadening mass and substantial suspension bellows) of the much later Rock Reference, barring the electronic controls (which on my old RR were a bit flaky, as you'd expect 30 years on).

    The mass produced Rock II while a great deck was a cut-down version of the original Cranfield concept. Add in an Alphason HR100S which by any standard is better than the Mk1 Excalibur generally fitted to the RR, and Jack's setup is about as well sorted a TT as you'll find.
    Hi Tom,

    I know it's a Cranfield, and I'm also aware of the difference. It's a superb T/T - truly one of the greats (for a belt-drive, lol). Anthony's got one, so I know how good they sound

    Anyway, we're still waiting for pics (not of you daftees, lol, but of the kit you listened to during your bake-off), so come on Jack, get yer finger out!!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Pics would be most excellent.

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    Not before time some pics..
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    Saw and heard the horns at Scalford a couple of years ago and was suitably impressed.
    Any changes since then?

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